Where dey at? **** used to be around. I don't see it much no mo. What's up wit dat? Why I all talking ebonics anyway? (Yo, dat wuz racist)

The libertarian movement isn't internet only, and it's your counter culture political movement imo.

Becoming undisenfranchised one individual at a time.

Check Gitmo imo.

I think they stick to their own forums. Cults don't attend many interfaith gatherings.

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The only libertarian factions that are established enough to constitute a real counterculture are militia, sovereign citizen and white power type movements. So I suppose you're right, but those are pretty crappy cultures imo.

Some great culture the dems have. Drones killing children, innocent people being tortured in gitmo, every person in the US being spied upon. What a ****ing utopia you demtards have!

Dude, US Democrats are not culture, never mind a counter-culture... in fact they are the majority political party, they are the mainstream politics of the mainstream culture.

This is a serious problem you have carrying on an adult conversation... you don't seem to be able to even slightly track the topic being discussed. And you keep dissembling about your own self-determined superior 'morality' and such.

@zikzak: If politics would be just a part of what defines a counter-culture then the questions to ask are (a) are there actually any counter-cultures around anymore, I mean the hippies are all in their 70s now, and (b) if there are, why are they not political today.

a) I'd like to believe there are and they are just hidden from my old man eyes. I would REALLY like to believe this, but I have trouble doing so. What little counterculture still exists is far too tiny and far too easily ignored.

b) A few still are, others aren't. That's a darn good question, really. Culture jammers continue to be explicitly political. Radical self-expression-types (burners) tend to be pretty apolitical. Your tribe kinda tries to have it both ways, with mixed results imo.

I think you could point a finger at any of the usual "why kids are the way they are today" explanation and be somewhat correct while not learning anything useful at all. All we really have is a present situation largely devoid of counterculture without decent answers as to why.

btw I drunkenly created this thread after listening to an old Test Dept album.

Far too easily suppressed. A large counter culture like what existed in the 60s could never exist today, because the government has become too large, too powerful, and OWS proved that any sort of social uprising among common citizens will be swiftly eliminated by the government.

In short, WAAF.

OWS wasn't a "counter-culture".

I think the Teabagger Party might qualify as a "counter-culture" in a stretch. And some of the nuttier ultra-right-wing religious groupings would probably qualify... like the underground violent anti-abortionists, or our friends at the Westboro Church. Just like the libertarian factions mention above... militia, sovereign citizen and white power type movements... all the examples I can think of are ultra-right-wing.

Everything counter culture eventually becomes mainstream, except for the ideals and philosophies. So I am talking mostly about hairstyles, body adornments, clothes and so forth.

I wonder if the people who work in whole foods are part of a counter culture.

Amish are probably a counterculture.

If counterculture wins the culture war then it becomes culture and culture becomes counterculture. Culture is counterculture. Or is it counterculture is culture? Hmmmm. All this talk of culture and I'm craving frozen yogurt.

Real important question though: Is fashion culture?

Yeah pretty much

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Seems like these days the pervading trend is the culture of the individual.

So many people seem determined to express / assert themselves through personal channels of social media. Perhaps this has some impact on why there is a lack of community based counter culture movements. Which would be ironic as the net & social media are supposed to bring people together. Or perhaps this is just a symptom of a deeper reason.

The pace of change happens so fast now too; it is hard for a culture to have time to grow and become meaningful before the winds change or something more relevant takes its place.

Also, it seems the education system doesn't really teach critical thinking any more; it is more about teaching people to be employment ready.

I dunno. Interesting question OP.