4:1 is 20 cents. 80 - 20

impeached or resigns.
if he dies (illness or assassination) you would win.

Uhh I think everything in this post, excluding that Comey did once tell Trump he wasn't under investigation, is false lol
- cloud still there
- Trump pressuring Comey to drop investigation into Flynn is definitely obstruction
- Mueller is likely now investigating Trump if he wasn't under investigation before

oh my

deleted a couple of your low content personal attack posts

I started listening to the hearings. Then I heard a bunch of lies and grandstanding and I couldn't take it. I am asking that someone who did listen to it tell me where the evidence is that Russia colluded with the Trump campaign to "hack" the election. Actually, I would settle for an explanation of what is meant by "hack the election".

I can't get much better odds on ladbrokes

One clip I heard a few times has Comey characterizing Trump's opinions as "lies".

I believe those are opinions, not the things we associate with truth values in my experience. I hate to be the slow one here again, but can someone explain to me how Trump's opinions can be lies?

So, I didn't listen to the hearings, but asking about "hacking the election" is so off-base that I think we need to take a step back here and start with the basics.

I'm not following the Russia stuff super closely beyond general news reading, so for those of you who are, feel free to correct me if any of these details are wrong.

So, super basic setup:
- Russia engaged in a campaign to try to influence the US election
- this involved things like spreading fake news on the more innocent end and hacking Democratic organizations to obtain and release damaging info on the more illegal end
- all on their own, this doesn't necessarily amount to much beyond "Putin's a dick and wanted Trump to win", but...
- multiple members of the Trump campaign had improper contact with Russian officials during the campaign which they hid
- these officials include Jeff Sessions (who lied about that contact during his confirmation hearings and was later forced into recusing himself from Russia matters), Paul Manafort (Trump's former campaign chief), and maybe Jared Kushner, also there's this weird guy named Carter Page whose name keeps popping up but I don't really know who he is
- ...and of course there's also Michael Flynn, who lied about his contact (or maybe he told the Trump team who then lied to the public about his contact, it's hard to keep all this straight) and eventually was forced to resign over it, which he's now under investigation for
- on top of that, Flynn failed to disclose that he was working as a paid lobbyist/agent of Turkey at the same time he was making foreign policy decisions involving Turkey, which is possibly the most ****ed up part of all this
- Donald Trump pressured the director of the FBI to drop the investigation into Michael Flynn, and when he didn't, he fired him

There are probably a crapton of details I'm missing that someone in the main P forum would be furious about omitting but that's the general idea. The initial purpose of the investigation was to try to figure out if the improper contact w/ Russia ever involved coordination on the Russian influence campaign, which would be very illegal. But, certainly investigations can evolve over time, and Trump pressuring Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn is a huge red flag.

Like, Bitchi might not know this part of history (I'd assume everyone does, but this is P7 so who knows - Sushy not knowing this is weird, he's definitely old enough to have been around for this stuff) but like, Nixon didn't order the Watergate break-in, it wasn't Nixon's illegal activity being investigated at first. The now-famous "smoking gun" tape that brought down his presidency is the one where Nixon tries to...hm, this is kinda awkward...well, I'll let Wikipedia explain:

Sound familiar?

He resigned three days after its release.

Donald Trumps son said there would be no ambiguity if his father was truly trying to influence the investigation.

The hearings were not directly on the Russia investigation, but rather on the circumstances around Comey's firing. In my opinion, this was probably the most important thing he said:

Most of the rest of his testimony was meant to establish his credibility as a witness and to give his reasons for that judgement. If Comey's claim is correct, then it could lead to an obstruction of justice charge against President Trump.

the head of the fbi calls the president a liar in multiple ways and testifies that he was fired bc the president wanted to stop an investigation and the trumpers are like "doesnt look like anything to me."

He also said that he was basing that off of the words the president said himself on TV. It doesn't seem to me that Comey's interpretation of the Lester Holt interview should matter a whole lot.

It's why I think the main take away is hearing Trump had everyone leave the room before talking about letting Flynn go. It suggests that it was more than just a passing comment.

Well... Kind of. If Obama did something like that (not that he would) I would be pretty sure he had 'corrupt' intentions but with Trump incompetence always seem like a better explanation for everything.

If Trump's incompetence saves him from his incompetence I won't know whether to laugh or cry.

Being informed that you are not under investigation is only a 'win' for someone who has done something which investigators might discover.

Meh... If the FBI thought that was true than he would be under investigation.

To my eye, the Russia thing seems much more likely to be directly connected to Flynn, Manafort and Kushner.

The cloud is still there. Just because Trump was not being investigated over Russia doesn't mean that investigators won't find something tying him to wrongdoing. And if his campaign was colluding and convictions occur, he will still be seen as responsible. It's a colossal failure of leadership.


Even if you think Lynch did something improper, she did not try to end an investigation. She wanted to control the messaging. Comparing that to a president attempting to shut down an investigation is nonsense.

Reality doesn't matter anymore. These folks read InfoWars with glee.

lol putting some pieces together...


Deuces, what do you think happened to Seth Rich?

the stock market has been on absolute fire since election day. it had a big sell off may 17 when news broke of the memos that could impeach trump. after yesterdays testimony the market rallied hard. the market is currently out of its mind imo but it does reflect the actual sentiment of people who actually back their opinion with their money

the money is telling a pretty obvious story. nothingburger. everyone knows trump is a liar. now reasonable people have more clarity on the russia hysteria being totally politically motivated drama absent of evidence. trump may have colluded with russia, but at this point there is no evidence. evidence is when hilary got caught mishandling classified info. it wasnt a conspiracy. they didnt prosecute. in trumps case, they dont even have any evidence yet and people want a prosecution. its political games and people who arent politically motivated are voting with their money that this situation is a massive nothingburger (at this point)

trump being a liar isnt even news. his voters know this and dont care

You mean the actual Russian hacker. I hope we find out one day.

As Comey reiterated, the FBI never had their hands on the DNC servers.

It is fascinating right - our government has the capability to fake a hack from anyone in the world (Vault7), but the state sponsored cyber hackers of Russia can't hind their own fingerprints. Occam's razor and all...

If there's one person we should absolutely trust without critical thought, it's the son of the man accused of and self-admittedly is trying to influence an investigation. Surely Trump's son knows better than Trump himself and is a completely unbiased source.

Also, I love the unintentional admission that Trump Jr. has seen daddy try to illegally influence an investigation before, and this isn't how he did it.

If Occam's Razor leads you to a false flag conspiracy then you are too stupid to use Occam's Razor and will probably cut yourself with it.

The propaganda which targeted to influence and impress 'American thought' during the election hasn't simply vanished off the inter-webz.

Cause trump telling comey "I hope you drop the flynn investigation" is so similar to nixon.

you guys just want to see trump fail, never gave him a chance

It is! Literally the only difference is "I hope" (and the fact that Trump is doing it directly instead of telling subordinates to do his dirty work with the FBI Director) and even then Trump's language, as reported by Comey, was not exactly subtle:

That's not "I hope you have a successful investigation that clears Michael Flynn", that's "I hope you stop looking into this **** right now", and when Comey didn't, he was fired!!

"see your way clear"

Clear of what?