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01-02-2017 , 11:49 PM
Repealing Obamacare seems highly improbable to me. I don't think the Republicans will end the subsidies, it would political suicide in my view. Republicans also know they have to address people with pre-existing conditions. Wonder what they are going to come up with, if anything.
01-02-2017 , 11:51 PM
Didn't Trump say he'd fix this? Seemlessly? I believe he also said we'd be winning. Winning so much we'd get tired of winning. Seems like this fits in that category. Slam dunk.
01-03-2017 , 04:11 AM
Every repub friend of mine says they want to keep the pre existing, but not the requirement mandate. They don't seem to understand that insurance companies can't do that. Otherwise, people will just wait until they're sick to get insurance.

I've evolved into believing that we need universal taxpayer health care with a private option for those who want it. It's not perfect but it's better than what we have.
01-03-2017 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Didn't Trump say he'd fix this? Seemlessly? I believe he also said we'd be winning. Winning so much we'd get tired of winning. Seems like this fits in that category. Slam dunk.
He certainly made campaign promises it would change and the changes would make it a better system.
01-03-2017 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Every repub friend of mine says they want to keep the pre existing, but not the requirement mandate. They don't seem to understand that insurance companies can't do that. Otherwise, people will just wait until they're sick to get insurance.

I've evolved into believing that we need universal taxpayer health care with a private option for those who want it. It's not perfect but it's better than what we have.
I think the idea of health insurance and health care have become conflated. Insurance is about sharing the risk and you are right people will game the system to their advantage if they can. Obamacare seems to me to be more about defining healthcare rights and redistributing income.
01-03-2017 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
I think the idea of health insurance and health care have become conflated. Insurance is about sharing the risk and you are right people will game the system to their advantage if they can. Obamacare seems to me to be more about defining healthcare rights and redistributing income.
So what system would you like to see?
01-03-2017 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
So what system would you like to see?
Something more inline with what McCain proposed in 2008 is one better alternative I think. All the coverage that Obamacare mandates I don't think is a good idea either. Give people more choices. Hard to do though. Maybe buying in to Medicare but I'm pretty sure the reimbursement rates for Medicare are unsustainable. I will say though that a lot of health care providers still take Medicare patients. I would also like to see some way that the people that have serious health care issues not have to pay too much so they would have to get govt help.

Obamacare isn't going away though in my view.
01-03-2017 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hamphurt
Obamacare is too expensive and unsustainable. Prices keep going up.
Prices were always going up before Obamacare. It was already too expensive for 30 million people. They were using the ER as their primary care bc they couldn't be turned away. That cost everyone else more in premiums. How is that a superior system to Obamacare?
01-03-2017 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Something more inline with what McCain proposed in 2008 is one better alternative I think. All the coverage that Obamacare mandates I don't think is a good idea either. Give people more choices. Hard to do though. Maybe buying in to Medicare but I'm pretty sure the reimbursement rates for Medicare are unsustainable. I will say though that a lot of health care providers still take Medicare patients. I would also like to see some way that the people that have serious health care issues not have to pay too much so they would have to get govt help.

Obamacare isn't going away though in my view.
Isn't Medicare essentially universal healthcare? Everyone pays the premiums in tax.

It confuses me that many republicans (not referring to you) like Medicare and Medicaid, but don't want them expanded to everyone.
01-03-2017 , 11:24 PM
Obamacare has been a disaster no doubt. one of my main disappointments with Obama is that he didn't fight harder (more effectively?) for a single-payer system (at least a minimal one). The problems run so so much deeper than Obamacare. medical monopolies need to be nuked from orbit. and take the patent system with it.

this is not to exonerate Obamacare in any way as it almost certainly has made things worse (and much harder to improve upon)
01-03-2017 , 11:41 PM
****ing Obama, see ya later Barry! Looking forward to that zero legacy. Just a total fraud, that's his legacy. A big speech and an empty suit. That'll get you a lot of free golf and vacations in Hawaii.
01-03-2017 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Isn't Medicare essentially universal healthcare? Everyone pays the premiums in tax.

It confuses me that many republicans (not referring to you) like Medicare and Medicaid, but don't want them expanded to everyone.
Medicaid is available to people who essentially are poor. My understanding is that reimbursement rates are too low and thus a lot doctors don't take Medicaid patients. The USA has laws on the books where emergency rooms have to treeat all. So everyone had access pretty much but the quality and service for health care varies. As others have posted in other threads, people want inexpensive, high quality, and prompt service in health care. Two out of three is probably the best we can do.
01-04-2017 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Medicaid is available to people who essentially are poor. My understanding is that reimbursement rates are too low and thus a lot doctors don't take Medicaid patients. The USA has laws on the books where emergency rooms have to treeat all. So everyone had access pretty much but the quality and service for health care varies. As others have posted in other threads, people want inexpensive, high quality, and prompt service in health care. Two out of three is probably the best we can do.
I don't think we have 2 out of 3. Maybe 1/2 out of 3. High quality maybe for some. For the poor, the quality sucks. And it's definitely not inexpensive or prompt.
01-05-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GBP04
Obamacare has been a disaster no doubt. one of my main disappointments with Obama is that he didn't fight harder (more effectively?) for a single-payer system (at least a minimal one). The problems run so so much deeper than Obamacare. medical monopolies need to be nuked from orbit. and take the patent system with it.
Couple things...

Obamacare was designed to fail and have single-payer fill the void. Astounding to me that many on the left don't understand this.

So you want to nuke the medical monopolies and your solution for that is MORE government?

Who the heck do you think licenses the monopolies??? The GOVERNMENT does.

In a true unfettered free market capitalist economy there is no such thing as a monopoly. If there is only one seller of a product in a free market economy that just = the best deal possible.

Follow the constitution, get government out of the economy, stop the income tax and take the power out of Washington, then lobbyists will disappear because Washington won't have any goodies to hand out. Then you will have freedom and no corporate subsidies, bank bailouts, and no monopolies. Easiest solution ever.
01-05-2017 , 08:13 PM
I would also like to see the government negotiate drug prices like other countries do. It's ridiculous that the US has to subsidize the rest of the world's drug prices.

I take one medication which costs (my insurance company) $1500 per month. I can get it for $100 a month in Singapore, and about $300 in Canada. Of course, since i only have the $10 co-pay, i'm not personally out of money each month, but it affects my insurance premiums when drugs are this expensive.

      
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