You can never trust electronic voting machines.

DEMOD KURTO INSTANTLY.

Mostly because enough people call me Dibs that I can't let that typo stand.

Also because, no- DIB is awful. Go read his work in the rape thread, especially the parts where he tries to lie about that anti-rape group supporting his argument. He probably seems OK to you because you over engage with crap posters and he thinks you can be an ally. Look at how he responds to the people he doesn't like, how he went at ikes about his wife and Giz and Low Key about their sex life. Ikes and Spank might be **** posters, but I don't think they're bad people. DIB and Deuces seem like awful ****ing humans to top off their bad posting.

Cheerleading for Zimmerman, tho

I just kinda write that stuff off as trolling, which I guess doesn't make you a good person, but I can forgive it a lot easier than I can DIB and Deuces- who don't seem like they're trolling at all. They're unhinged enough that I suspect that they're who they are here in real life. I suspect "ikestoys" is a character some dude probably named Jeff plays on the internet, and somehow that's better to me?

DIBS white knighting Ikes is weird and bad

Don't get me wrong- I still think he should be banned. I just think he's not as bad (by my standards) as other people who should also be banned.

Maybe another way to think about it is that to some extent what ikes does feels like it operates within the establish norms of internet message boards. Somebody being contrary and trolling, even if it takes them too extremes, doesn't like break the implicit social contract under which we operate the same way somebody like DIB does. There's moments where ikes actually stops and seems like he has limits. DIB doesn't, and that makes me a lot more uncomfortable.

First, its not a typo... I Didn't invent calling him dibs.

Also- im not saying he doesnt have awful posts. Im not nullifying everyones criticisms of him. I'm just pointing out that once someone is branded a bad poster everything they say is immediately rejected in its entirety. Im trying to be nuanced is why i think one bad poster is not as bad as another.

Also regarding dibs vs lowkey and such - i skip a lot of that because its boring and it turns me off to all parties in those discussions. So i dont aleays consider all the same stuff because i avoid a lot of it. I regularly skip spank vs forum, lowkey vs dibs, nearly everything by deuces, entire sections where ikes is doing his thing. They and the people who continue these feuds imo make so much of the forum unreadable.

So again, Im not saying I think any of the finalists are good, or likeable.... I was only making the distinction that when dibs wasnt having his personal fights with lowkey/anais and was trying to make some arguments (arguments that i thought were bad or out of poace) that when i called him on it he actually tried to discuss it. I cant say ive had a similar experience with, for instance, Ikes.

Also - i dont think ikes comes across as a decent person. I think he comes off as an intolerable jerk.

I think Kurto just has more of a personal problem with Ikes because they've had arguments before. He hasn't been exposed to DiB's brand of creepy the way some others have and his personal experiences carry more weight for him over what other people have experienced.

Horse****

Nope, try again

lol no

Yeah, of course. I also think its hard for anyone (or at least me) to rise above ikes' probably decade long, highest volume pisting in nearly every subject.

Also, we're all evaluating people bases on different criteria. DIDS seems to be more focused on a person holding objectionable views. While i think this is a relevent criteria, within the realm of objectionable people there are subsets of characteristics we would weigh differently. For instance, i find bahbah worse then many because i find his inability to learn or even remember things he has said leading him to post the same innacurate information over and over again for years more frustrating then most other people. Bahbah has made objectionable arguments and makes anyone who engages him feel like they're bashing their head into a wall. So for me bahbah would rank higher then he did because hes a triple threat- sphis views, his imperviousness to new information and his general stupidity. (Also, another person who has been posting bad for years on end)

Regarding dibs and your husband - i hate it all. Inoften like lowkeys postings but the ongoing feud between the two of them brings them both down in my eyes. And as i said above, I find it all so unreadable so I usually skip most of it so its not weighed as heavily in my decisions.

Dissecting this in such detail feels geeky to me.

I think you're misunderstanding me (or i wrote poorly)... I was trying to say that i dont think ikes ever backs down to reason,... If hes shown to be wrong he just shifts the goalposts or does some semantikes respose. I was saying this as why i voted for Ikes as one of the worst.

Poll isn't public?

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eta: wait, no, it is, why are people confused about who messed up the vote counts?

And dids, i'll point out again that i was voting as the worst poster of all time trying not to use use recent events as my primary focus. If i was voting recent I'd be looking at other less significant posters like sputnik or mark or even silverman whose posts are consistently bad. But i didnt weigh them as heavily because I'm voting on long term history. I think spank has become unreadable but that, to me, is a recent phenomenon. I have thought for years that ikes has been a persistent source of bad. Surely you can probably find individual objectionable things by dibs that may be more offensive then any one thing ikes has said, but i dont feel dibs presence in nearly every thread since i started posting on this forum. By my judging 10,000 annoying, trolling, intellectually dishonest posts by ikes is still worse then 100 objectionable posts by anyone else. Others just can't compete with his volume.

Like, I get that people don't like to read it, but DiB has crossed lines so often, that it has really decreased the amount I read this forum (and as a result, 2p2)
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But he doesn't just do this personal **** with us. There's the infamous "ikes doesn't have a wife!" tirade, and the continued efforts to like paint fly as a fat, short dude. Etc and so forth. If a poster disagrees with him (like swiss miss) he gets very aggressive with the name calling, etc.




I think you missed him imitating ikes.

But I'm sure DiB is loving all this conversation about him, so, you know whatever.

In before

"God, Gizkey you're so obsessed with me! quit stalking me!!"

Last comment (but notably, one of the reasons I think Ikes is bad is because his personality is such that his engagement in every thread leads to threads becoming all about Ikes... If measured, i wouldnt be surprised if one of the most discussed subjects in the last 10 years has been specifically about ikes and his responses... And here we are again. ). You mention that you suspect ikes white knighting in the zimmerman thread is him trolling... And its often been said that people suspect he doesn't even believe much of what he writes... Well imo this is why he's bad. He'll make objectionable offensive stands just to argue and/or troll people. I'd rather debate a person honestly defending views i find objectionable then someone who i suspect is just being contrary.

I mean... one of these things is not like the other.

Yup, everyone just needs to stop talking about these morons and stop responding to them in threads. Ikes, spank, and dibs all clearly revel in the attention. DM doesn't I think and is mostly genuine. Wrong almost always, but at least posting in good faith. That's why he's clearly not as bad as the other idiots.

I find this applies, in some sense, to me. A lot of people on this site all they have to do is just see my screen name and they instantly swoop to attack or criticize, regardless of what's posted.

A lot of obsessive types around here. Not just here, but even in forums I don't post a lot in there's a cadre of posters who have a laser focus on me the instant I enter a thread, like minimalist and arachist in OOT (probably the same person).

I admit i don't knowmthe history all that well because as i said, i try to skip a lot of the interpersonal feuding. I do think its just ugly when i see that stuff and have not tried to get involved. I dont think anyone should go after people by attacking their spouses or their sex lives.

And again, i'm not trying to defend any ugliness by dibs or others... I was simply saying how i think dibs has shown some willingness to discuss things he's said in a way i find better then others. Its not meant to excuse other ugliness he has shown.

lol "girl"

Just vote and be done with the bad poasters intellectualism.

You find that much enjoyment dissecting someone else's poo being flung around?

DIB / IKE / DEUCES / SPANK in a test tube dissection is one of the least interesting things to discuss.

What's weird is how utterly unambiguous their support of my primary argument is IRT the college rape business. Like, it's purposefully worded to be NOT open to interpretation.

Fascinating what can happen when you let your dislike for someone influence your understanding of their positions. Especially when it comes to the more feeble minded folks like Mr. Dids.

RAINN: "While we respect the seriousness with which many schools treat such internal processes, and the good intentions and good faith of many who devote their time to participating in such processes, the simple fact is that these internal boards were designed to adjudicate charges like plagiarism, not violent felonies. The crime of rape just does not fit the capabilities of such boards. They often offer the worst of both worlds: they lack protections for the accused while often tormenting victims."

Broseph, your BFFs LK and Giz volunteered intimate details about their boring sex life when they essentially claimed that non-missionary sex was deviant behavior, caused by a perverse culture.

And I claimed Ikes couldn't have a wife because he seemed like such a POS. GOD FORBID someone on a message board say something as offensive as this! Why you felt this was so far over the line in an Unchained forum is beyond me, but does explain why your ignore list is likely 3x that of everyone else's combined.

Still unsure why you even come to this sub-forum, considering how delicate your ****ing sensibilities are Dids.

And dude, since when do you get all indignant over posters using other posters' questionable material to make character assassination attempts?! You beat off that shriveled little weiner of yours whenever Fly does this exact same thing. Best way to explain your love of Fly and hate of me is that Fly uses this device to target people you dislike.

Let's take them in turn.

1. You dislike my referencing your boring ass sex life.

This is a natural consequence of you infamously volunteering your warped views on sex. What did you think would happen when you posted that anything but missionary was the product of a perverse American culture? This is UNCHAINED bro; people will use your **** against you.

Perhaps you will next time think twice before giving the enemy ammunition.

2. Me telling you to put me on ignore, and for LK to set limits.

I stand by this. Again, you VOLUNTEERED how you hated me. In all seriousness, life is too short. If you begin hating screen names because they type mean things you should probably just ignore said screen names. Life is too short to voluntarily expose yourself to things you hate.

As far as LK setting limits, well that **** really shouldn't bother you. Like, it's yet another DIB reach of a read. I mean - unless it's hitting a nerve..... - you should just roll eyes and move on.

Kinda sorta. But again, as stated above, considering you HATE me it's weird how you not only don't ignore me but devote a decent amount of time/energy to what I say.

Love to hate, maybe?

This terrible attempt at a post is from the same mind that was completely BLOWN over Belgium, a physically small country, beating USA, a physically large country, in soccer. Like, this occurrence was straight flabbergasting to this guy.