You still haven't answered any of his questions about child labor etc.

You just don't get it man!

Lirva seems to do whatever he can to avoid actually talking about meaningful issues. His brain is stuck on simple principles that he really wants to build a society around and whenever we get into deeper complexities he avoids the problem by jumping right back to his simple principle.

It's like religious people jumping right back to "It says so in the bible!".

Compare that to the discussion with RR in the other anarchy thread where you actually get deeper reasoning/explanations about his beliefs and you can see the right way to address questions.

No, it is the other way round. Without the state's protection there would be no capitalism. All people use the government for capitalistic advantages - for a guy currently in college you of all people should know this to be true.

Bingo!

Because he logically can't. You did, I hope, notice how far he went out of his way to change the subject however... trying to egg me on regarding a completely unrelated topic ad nausem... because maybe by then peeps will forget he couldn't respond to the simplest of questions.

Note: usually he makes an incoherent rant about 'statistism' in this exact same situation. The purpose is the same... to change the subject because maybe peeps will forget that he's shoveling a load of sophistry at us and trying to pass it off as an actual ideology.

Bingo again! I call this the Groundhog Day effect.

This is a generic thought failure by all libertarian types, not just ACists. I tried this game with zan nen back in his odious day.

If you ask a libertarian type what institution enforces Communism in a Communistic society... they'll same the Communist government. Same question regarding a monarchy, a fascist society, a theocracy, in Star Trek land... they'll say the royal government, the fascist government, the religious government, the space government.

They do seem to realize, in general, that any class based society needs a violent enforcement organization (aka a government)... and that this enforcement organization is an organic part of such a society... not something seperate from and outside of that society.

But ask them the same exact question regarding a capitalistic society... and their heads xplode! zan nen went as far as claiming that Capitalistic governments can't possibly exist... so denying the very existence of the US, UK, German, Japanese, etc governments.

Then we always got this little gem from the libertatian types. Take anything that used to florish on the 'free market', but has mainly disappeared because it is now against the law (aka governmental interference). I picked child labor, but it doesn't really matter what.

Your libertarian type will always claim that such things are 'bad'... but never explian why he calls them bad as they (a) don't contradict the NAP, and (b) they are the result of a 'voluntary' exchange on the 'free market'. Then they double down on this idiocy by claiming, even though these 'bad' things are still very profitable that... (c) for no reason, today's capitalists just wouldn't do 'bad' things, even if it costs them profits!

I just started watching House of Cards - it's too bad no clips are on Youtube, because the scene where the crazy guy is outside yelling his head off and Kevin Spacey walks up to him and says "nobody can hear you, nobody cares about you, nothing will come of this" is basically a perfect encapsulation of Lirva's posting here.

yesssssssss

I'm just sayin, if you think a system in which many people are treated like absolute dirt is bad, you should consider that the government treats many people like absolute dirt.


Civilian casualties caused by U.S. military in wars.

Most of the deaths in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombings were civilians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic...a_and_Nagasaki

Vietnam - 50-65 thousand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veitna...y_Lai_massacre

Korean war - An estimated 1,550,000 North Korean civilians killed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean..._and_massacres

Desert Storm - An estimated 3,664 Iraqi civilians killed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_storm#Casualties

Second Iraq war - 103,160-113,728 dead Iraqi civilians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_war

Afghanistan war - 12,500-14,700 dead Afghani civilians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_war



Through the drug and education policy, the government has created an under class in the U.S. with extremely limited educational and occupational opportunities.
http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/4cs/fi...lsenlawrev.pdf

Do go on about the evils of Anarchism, and how I avoid any meaningful discussion.

No, I don't want a coercive hierarchical position over others.



I answered his question about child labor.

Absolute nonsense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_market




The government took an economic opportunity away from me, just like it did to all americans on this forum. I'm only in college because of that.

MissileDog, I'm not playing your game any more. I do not debate with people who refuse to reciprocate. You want to ask all the questions, but answer none, and you refuse to talk about Anarchism. I'm completely done with you. I'm putting you on ignore, you violent little psychopath.

I'm not magical by the way. If you want to learn about Anarchism, go read Rothbard. He's the expert on Anarchism, as you proclaimed.

What about child labor laws under your system?

I don't think you did, could you quote it please?

lol at this post

"Missledog you're an ******* for not answering all the questions I'm asking you even though I refuse to answer any that I'm asked.
You should discuss Anarchism.
I'm not going to talk about Anarchism, go read about it instead."

what a joke

ETA: The 'violent little psychopath' was a nice bit of projection too

I support eliminating all child labor laws, along with the government. If children want to get a job, they should be able to. My father started working when he was 12. However, I do not support individuals selling their children off into slavery, or whatever. I think it's ****ing despicable, and a disgusting violation of the child's rights. This is one of the reasons I am an Anarchist; the U.S. government claims ownership over people's children, both born and unborn. A generation passes laws and runs up huge debt, and then pushes the financial burden of those debts onto future, unborn generations. This is absolutely disgusting to me.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=96

Lots of other anarchists support the idea of selling children. Some even post here on 2+2.

Why are you such a fascist that you would trample on their rights?

But you don't care about it enough to dissuade you from supporting a system under which there is no way to stop exactly that from happening. Strange.

No... you are once again avoiding by your typical antic... trying to change the subject to 'statistism'. Yes we understand you are all bitter about reality... got it! This tells us nothing about 'anarchism'.

Dude, nobody is accusing you of wanting to be on top of the hierarchy.

What kerowo was saying was you championing one particular coercive hierarchy... while calling all others 'immoral'. Care to address his comment instead of dodging once again?

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So... they have black markets under Communist regimes, so by zan nen-LirvA logic no government is necessary for Communism. So... they had black markets under fascist, so by zan nen-LirvA logic no government is necessary for fascism. So... they have black markets under monarchism, so by zan nen-LirvA logic no government is necessary for a monarcy.

ZOMG this might be the most idiotic thing youz said ITT. Are you channeling the odious zan nen and extracting the essense of extreem idiocy ??

Actually I do, that's why I support eliminating the government.


Let me ask you something, would you buy from a company that used child slaves?

How would I know? Any company bad enough to use child slaves is equally capable of preventing the public from knowing. Particularly since a free unbiased press can't survive when there is nothing stopping intimidation or out right suppression of the press by big corporations. Your reliance on free market forces is pretty juvenile.

Simple question, at what age should children be able to sign binding contracts?

What is it now, 18? I wouldn't really have a problem with moving it to 21, but I don't think that is realistic.

LOL dude. You are way too into yourself to put me on ignore.

All I've ever said is I won't discuss real world anarchism in an ACist thread... and I won't discuss ACism in a real world anarchism thread. And the reason is that that would be a category error... just like trying to compare river banks -vs- lending banks -vs- Ernie Banks is a catagory error.

Are you really such a ****ing ****** you can't understand this very simple concept ??

If I got a 'gimmick' account and asked the same exact Qs... what would you do then, ******* ??

How so?



Are you trying to assert that we have a free unbiased press, that isn't suppressed by the government now?