Without regulations and trifling IP legislation which corporations like Google and Apple use to suppress competition, those employees could start their own businesses. (But since those obstacles DO exist, such startups become unnecessarily and increasingly more difficult to manage, minimizing the likelihood of successfully pursuing this option.)

Nevermind "getting ****ed by the" government, amirite?

Governments that persecute the population over victimless "crimes" are more dangerous and concerning than theoretical unemployment in a supposedly free market.

"Wealth MUST be redistributed because something-something EQUALITY, though! Now, GIMME GIMME GIMME!"

LOL@master3004 for believing legal change precedes social. (Legislators are made from a finer clay than the rest of us! :ROFL:)

Err, no. In ACland...

If free, the birth mother is the sole owner of the child. If enslaved or indentured, the birth mother's owner is the child's owner. Owners have a 'Right to Abandon', a 'Right to Kill by Neglect', and a right to manumit at any age. Abandoned children remain slaves, and are subject to claimature. Children have a 'Right to Run Away', and thereby self-manumit, at any age. Indenture contacts are valid and enforced. There's no age of consent. And businesses, like coal mines and brothels, can 'adopt'.

However, owners can't kill their slaves other than through neglect. Also, open-ended Indenture contracts (aka 'Voluntary Slavery') are not enforceable.

You stupid cock we aren't talking about the government at this moment, we are talking about the statement that "you can't get ****ed over in a free market because the transactions are voluntary." Take your anti-government whinging to the tax office and pay your damn taxes like you do every year.

hahahhahah proph is still talking like ACsm isn't just a fantasy and is an actual legit philosophy. hahhahahahahaah.

Governments impede on supposedly free markets, imposing legislation that detrimentally influences individuals' choices.

Some options -- such as creating a startup to rival these borderline monopolies -- become hindered or even outright eliminated in the process.

There are exceptions to every rule, but your blatant denials and unwillingness to discuss very real problems illustrates your disingenuity. When will you finally tire of defending corrupt systems?

Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right? (Remember: That which has the power to grant you anything you want also has the ability to take away everything you need.)

I don't work for the government or participate in any governmental programs you ****ing idiot cock.

Nobody gives a **** what you think

Did someone just fart in here?

Oh! It was only master3004 voicing his irrelevant opinion!

Nevermind! Carry on.

(I've long suspected you and kerowo were the same person, though...)

You say this like it justifies child exploitation.

As though if you can get the admission that it's better than literally starving to death that it might convince anyone who's not a sack of **** to come around to the AC way of thinking.

A system which make coercion, exploitation, and manipulation in the most despicable of ways not only justified, but glorified.

When the gun's to your head, sure you could have chosen the trigger option, but choosing the alternative isn't a shining example of freedom.

You stupid cock we aren't talking about the government at this moment, we are talking about the statement that "you can't get ****ed over in a free market because the transactions are voluntary." Take your anti-government whinging to the tax office and pay your damn taxes like you do every year.

Government.

Chances Proph ever gets to live in his AC fantasy land: 0%

Chances we will live under a state for our whole lives and Proph will whine on the internet while either paying his taxes like a good little doggie or rightfully ends up in a cage for dodging taxes: nearly 100%

I like those odds

Slave-owners probably thought that slavery would persist throughout their lifetimes, too.

The petrodollar is eventually going to collapse, LetsGambool.

PEEEAAAAKKKKKKKKK OIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL

ummm...yeah, that happening (if it does) is not going to lead to either the elimination of the state or ACsm taking root. Lol at you.

lol proph
lol acism
lol flourishing market for children

How much silver do you own, Proph?

Just for fun. How many of the statist in this thread grew up in single parent households and/or work for the government in some way (teacher, bus driver, etc.)

I come from one of those countries where the options for children aren't:
Stitch a thousand footballs a day
Starve

I also incidentally come from one of those countries with a government.

Not me, though we did have food stamps for a while. THANK YOU GOVERNMENT!

Heya, no longer a poker player with seals v1 down, but I will now start participating in the poli threads.

In the past few months I've been reading reddit and such about anarchism. I still haven't read the classic texts, but so far I am more sympathetic to the mutualist, collectivist, communist side than capitalists.

I do try to be open to all opinions, since this talk is still theory. I plan on reading Kropotkin, Bakunin, Proudhon, Chomsky as well as Mises, Hayek, Ayn Rand, Rothbard just to see what those often quoted people really think.

It is also interesting to read about similarities and differences between anarchists and Marxists.

Since this is a serious inquiry, I'll break the de facto 'rules' of this thread, and give a serious answer.

This thread is exclusively about ACism... 'the capitalists' as you called them. In fact, here in Los Dos Politardias (Politics & Unchained), for historical reasons, the words 'anarchy', 'anarchism', etc, refer exclusively to ACism. So if you wanna 'learn' about ACism... you've come to the right place.

However, ACism isn't anything but standard issue American Style LTism ('the capitalists', again) all high on sniffing gasoline. It's not an ideology at all. It's just a collection of reprehensible desires, incoherent and self-contradictory gibberish, topped off with oxymoronic name... like a cherry on top.

If you are interested in chatting about 'the mutualists'... what I call RWA, to avoid confusion here in Los Dos Politards... you're going to wanna start a new thread. Or, you could bump the recent, stillborn, "A New World is Possible" thread.

OK, if you're open to all opinions, and you say you are referring only to RWA... I'll bump the recent, stillborn, "A New World is Possible" thread, and give mine.

Suffice to say ITT: Comparing RWA vs ACism is a category error, so trying to shoehorn your thinking into that absurd false dichotomy is... well absurd. RWA is hardly 'still theory'... my advice is to skip theory for now, and read history and current events. Speaking of history, and considering your stated interests, you might want to read about the personal history between Marx and Bakunin.

The thing is that on the collectivist side of things there's no answer for: Who will clean the toilets? (Or any job no one wants to do). In capitalism, increasing prices serve as a tool to find the right incentive. If no one wants to do a job then the price that needs to be paid to do that job goes up. Eventually an equilibrium is met where buyer meets seller.

Or if you're against hierarchy: What if a bunch of dummies want to run the company? If things are done where everyone gets an equal say then they're going to simply run the company into the ground.

Here's another good learning point for my 'statist' friends.

To review, ACers can't #win by bringing ACland into existence... because ACism is a buncha self-contradictory gibberish. There is no land of square-circles. They can't #win by building an ACer movement... ACism is just nonsense idiots jabber about on the interwebs. They can only #win by tricking people into believing there's such a thing as ACism. That's it.

They do this by glossing over the non-existence of ACism, and jumping right into 'comparing' ACland -vs- reality. Hence the meme: "Just because reality sucks, doesn't make ACism real". This is just another example.

The lesson is this: ACers will always try to 'slip' the 'existence', so to speak, of ACism by as a given. Once they've done that, they've already got their #win. Never let them do that.

As long as the ACists think they can violently enforce property contracts upon people who are not party to that contract, there is no such thing as voluntarism or acism. Property rights are neither universal nor self-evident, and any violent enforcement of property rights is indistinguishable from a government.