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11-05-2014 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Meh what's the fallout here? A singer apologized, donated some money? Learned about Native American culture? *shrugs*

Native Americans have more than one culture. I could be offended at your belittling monolithic characterization, but chose assume you just didn't know better.
11-05-2014 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by adacan
Not sure how this changes anything.
Should probably read a history book then
11-05-2014 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
This is a whiney judgemental post.

This is also a whiny judgmental post.
11-05-2014 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
This is also a whiny judgmental post.
Obviously, d*p****
11-05-2014 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
What do Americans have to do with this? Think she's English, right?
This wasn't offensive either. Because the guy wasn't German.


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11-05-2014 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Native Americans have more than one culture. I could be offended at your belittling monolithic characterization, but chose assume you just didn't know better.
What a f*cking ******
11-05-2014 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
No, the point is what a purple heart represents vs a facsimile. You can wear a purple heart on your wounded vet costume if you want but being bitched out by a real purple heart recipient wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.
if someone dresses as say a 'general' or 'soldier' or whatever for Halloween and the costume involves some ribbons etc.. I doubt many people are going to to take issue with someone wearing a costume (as long as it is clear they are just wearing a costume)

if someone has some how got hold of an actual purple heart they didn't earn and is trying to pass themselves off as the recipient of it then the situation is a bit different

I'd point out that it isn't a real head dress AFAIK, I mean she is not trying to pass herself off as an actual chief nor accurately depict one... nor is anyone likely to mistake her for one... if you apply the same to the soldier situation (if it is clear it is a costume) then I'm still not seeing the issue
11-05-2014 , 07:54 PM
My friend asked me to post this for him to no one in particular and everybody at once, "No, YOU'RE wrong!"
11-05-2014 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dowie
if someone dresses as say a 'general' or 'soldier' or whatever for Halloween and the costume involves some ribbons etc.. I doubt many people are going to to take issue with someone wearing a costume

if someone has some how got hold of an actual purple heart they didn't earn and is trying to pass themselves off as the recipient of it then the situation is a bit different
Sigh. Look I get it. It's hard to be considerate of how minorities are represented. Taxing on the moral capacity and all that.
11-05-2014 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Dowie
if someone dresses as say a 'general' or 'soldier' or whatever for Halloween and the costume involves some ribbons etc.. I doubt many people are going to to take issue with someone wearing a costume

if someone has some how got hold of an actual purple heart they didn't earn and is trying to pass themselves off as the recipient of it then the situation is a bit different
I'm pretty sure it's a crime unless it's a knockoff.
11-05-2014 , 07:57 PM
Next up, why can't I use the n-word?
11-05-2014 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Except for the Native American headdress representing something profoundly significant to their religion. To a people we have done our best to completely destroy. Native Americans still exist.

I practice a Native American-rooted religion and I have never needed a headdress. Tribes that are offended by people in costumes need to lighten up and be more forgiving of benign ignorance. They do not have a monopoly on sacredness.
11-05-2014 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Should probably read a history book then
I know the history, I don't understand the point.
11-05-2014 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
I practice a Native American-rooted religion and I have never needed a headdress. Tribes that are offended by people in costumes need to lighten up and be more forgiving of benign ignorance. They do not have a monopoly on sacredness.


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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Meh what's the fallout here? A singer apologized, donated some money? Learned about Native American culture? *shrugs*
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11-05-2014 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Quality
Can a girl still be Pocahontas on Halloween?

No, someone might be offended and give out guilt trips. However, I think they may make an exception for you, if you declare your support and donate to the Native American cause before putting on the costume.
11-05-2014 , 08:17 PM
I dont get what this thread is trying to accomplish. You can still wear any costume you want in the free world. Do you want people to not be offended when you wear said costume? You cant tell people what should and should not offend them.
11-05-2014 , 08:33 PM
I was interested in the reasoning behind the 'offence' and the need for some people to be 'offended' on behalf of others and throw accusations of racism, comparisons with black face etc.. around at some singer who just wore a costume.
11-05-2014 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
This is how a reasonable person responds to a situation like this. No entitlement, no whining, a little snark at the end (I think) but on point at least. It doesn't have to be an ideological battle every time.
Not really snark. It's pretty much the same, right? We should respect other cultures strongly-held beliefs when they don't intrude on our own. No reason to portray an image of Muhammad, except to prove a point about free speech and offend a bunch of religious folks who'd made it crystal clear how offensive it is to them.
11-05-2014 , 09:50 PM
Slutty Pocahontas costumes: out
Slutty Muhammad costumes: in
11-06-2014 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Like those offended by abelist slurs?

Are you comparing directly and intentionally targeting a person with an abusive slur, with wearing a costume?

Speaking out in the face of witnessing a person being targeted with harmful intent is more than an act of being offended. That is far different than being offended by the donning of a garment. Do you understand the difference here? One thing is intentional and personally targeted, the other thing is not.
11-06-2014 , 12:30 PM
11-06-2014 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Are you comparing directly and intentionally targeting a person with an abusive slur, with wearing a costume?

Speaking out in the face of witnessing a person being targeted with harmful intent is more than an act of being offended. That is far different than being offended by the donning of a garment. Do you understand the difference here? One thing is intentional and personally targeted, the other thing is not.
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
How about people who are offended are the ones with a problem and they need to be responsible for having irrational offended emotions instead of demanding people cater to them.
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11-06-2014 , 12:52 PM
Gizmo, we are talking about being offended about two distinctly different things. One of which warrants a just response greater than merely being offended. In your zest to play the childish gotcha game, you forgot to think about it.
11-06-2014 , 01:06 PM
People who get offended by this stuff suck.

      
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