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Old 05-16-2017, 10:03 AM   #51
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See, that wasn't so hard. I don't see an article on Vice about the "alt-left" though, which is the subject I was hoping for.

In answer to your question, I'm not saying that stuff is more credible simply because it's in writing. I'm saying when you want to direct people to info it's a lot easier to point to articles that can be read in moments rather than lengthy videos where it's also tougher to cross reference and fact check.

It's so much quicker and easier for someone to quote a small piece and link an article than when someone says "Here's a good summary" and puts a random link to a youtube video of unknown length.
Thats fair enough. Its good to be skeptical of information but you should be aware that media is changing and there are youtube commentators and journalists who are far more credible than alot of journalists working for traditional media.

For example alot of the traditional media in the US are compromised in that they are wined and dined at diners in the white house and flown around in private jets during the presidential campaign and these same journalists are the ones meant to be holding the administration to account?


Take this article from salon.com on the Berkely riots. What makes it credible and how would you go about cross referencing and fact checking it? http://www.salon.com/2017/04/18/pro-...nt-stop-there/


As for his definition of the alt left im not so sure either. But I do know that there is a section of the left who are ok with using violence to silence their opponents and justify it by otherising them. And this may be a small section but there is a much larger section who are acting as apologists for them and in the long run it will hurt the left.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:08 AM   #52
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FWIW, I think they're comparable. Pool has a POV and so does salon.com. And like I said, I like some of the stuff he's doing, but his definition of alt-left doesn't clarify anything for me.



The public evidence for Russia being behind the Podesta phishing attack is pretty strong. The same hackers targeted 4,000 or so addresses, many of them experts on Ukraine or journalists in Russia. It isn't 100% proof, but it's way more than just "maybe" Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta. And it certainly isn't "fake news," as Pool claimed. There's a lot of evidence Russia did it and no evidence that anyone else did. And that's just from evidence that's been made public.
They are no where near comparable , Salon is as objective as Breitbart , both push agendas and are disingenuous a large amount of the time.

As for the Russian connection im still not sold, although I will try to read up on it more. I do find it funny that they apparently rigged the election not by lying and making up fake news but by merely exposing truth about Clinton.

Also ironic that the US has interfered with more countries democracys (including Russia) than any other nation in its short history.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:26 AM   #53
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Thats fair enough. Its good to be skeptical of information but you should be aware that media is changing and there are youtube commentators and journalists who are far more credible than alot of journalists working for traditional media.
Sure, but my point is that there are a **** ton of nobodies giving political commentary too and it's really not very helpful to a forum discussion when people use lengthy youtube videos without so much as a summary of what's inside or where the info's coming from.

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For example alot of the traditional media in the US are compromised in that they are wined and dined at diners in the white house and flown around in private jets during the presidential campaign and these same journalists are the ones meant to be holding the administration to account?
You seem really eager to make this about whether something's more credible because it's either written down or from a mainstream media source. That's not really what I'm arguing about. All I'm trying to explain is the advantages of the written word when sourcing an argument on a forum e.g. it's quicker, easier to dissect, quote and so on.

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Take this article from salon.com on the Berkely riots. What makes it credible and how would you go about cross referencing and fact checking it? http://www.salon.com/2017/04/18/pro-...nt-stop-there/
Well, without reading it out or knowing the story well, you could start with the **** ton of hyperlinks to the sources the article is using. Seems pretty obvious.


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As for his definition of the alt left im not so sure either. But I do know that there is a section of the left who are ok with using violence to silence their opponents and justify it by otherising them. And this may be a small section but there is a much larger section who are acting as apologists for them and in the long run it will hurt the left.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what the "alt-left" is before I comment.
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:14 PM   #54
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My twitter prefers dirtbag left to alt-left fwiw
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:50 PM   #55
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I am mostly just turning the tables around given all the nazi and alt-right language used on these forums. There are a few I would call alt-left, but not that many, for example OP is not alt-left. 5ive and einbert for example.
I got to 1:13 of your video and had to stop. It's dumb as a box of hammer heads.

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Old 05-16-2017, 11:03 PM   #56
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Its not just a random vlog though. Tim Pool is a reporter on the ground who has been at various events and interviewed various members of the alt left , the alt right , and everything in between.

Its not like if he was writing for a newspaper or online news site his opinions and views would somehow be more credible , have you seen how disingenuous and lazy the mainstream media have been recently? Both on the right and the left btw.

Dont know if anyone on here professes to be on the alt left but there a few who condone the shutting down of free speech with violence and like to brand people fascists and white supremacists if they disagree with them.
Are said disagreements about fascism and the superiority of the white race?
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:16 PM   #57
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Also, this is enough Poe's Law to last one a lifetime:

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Old 05-21-2017, 12:20 PM   #58
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I seriously don't know what poes law is. Please explain or else.
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Old 05-21-2017, 12:43 PM   #59
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On the internet no parody can be so obvious that it's easily distinguishable from sincerity. The idea being that since you can always find someone on the internet that's at least stupid and/or crazy enough to honestly espouse such beliefs, you can never be certain whether it's a troll or not.

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Old 05-21-2017, 01:57 PM   #60
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Thanks bladesman that is not my guess of what it was but makes total sense. Thanks for your contribution.
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Old 05-22-2017, 06:45 PM   #61
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Hate crime investigation underway in University of Maryland murder

Black army recruit gets murdered at U. of Maryland.

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Sean Urbanski, the University of Maryland student suspected of Collins's killing, was a member of a Facebook group named Alt Reich, Mitchell said.
Clearly a lot of the racist rhetoric from the alt-right is inspiring some violence.
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:32 PM   #62
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[URL="http://wtvr.com/2017/05/22/university-of-maryland-murder/"]

Clearly a lot of the racist rhetoric from the alt-right is inspiring some violence.
> taking memes on the internet seriously

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Old 05-25-2017, 11:35 AM   #63
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Alt Right "thought" leader Vox Day has some "thoughts" on Anders Breivik, mass murderer of young people:
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Breivik did not target innocents. He didn't attack teenagers at a pop concert or families enjoying a night out on a public promenade. He struck a highly effective blow against the political machine that is still actively engaged in attacking his people and attempting to eradicate them
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The fact is that Anders Breivik not only gave up his freedom to strike back at the quislings who are actively seeking to destroy your nation and your people, but he did so alone, and in the full knowledge that he would be hated for it by many of the very people he sought to save.
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Of course, those who are not religious cannot fathom that kind of love, which is why they simply deem him mad, and a monster, and try to avoid thinking about the future....While he did a terrible thing, it is far more terrible that he was put into a position where he felt the need to do it in the first place. Focus your anger, and your disgust, for those who knowingly created the untenable situation.
The Alt Right is more violent, more despicable, more dangerous and unhinged than anything on the left. This statement from a leader in the Alt Right is no different than the people who support ISIS. They are planning to kill innocent people. There can be no doubt about that.
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:37 AM   #64
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"memes on the internet" my ass.
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:43 AM   #65
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OP: Hey guys let's have a conversation about the alt right.

Trump supporters: But what about the alt left?

Politards then discuss alt left for 95% of thread.


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Old 05-25-2017, 11:45 AM   #66
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To be fair, we didn't really discuss the alt-left. Nobody's even pointed out who that refers to.
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Old 05-25-2017, 07:24 PM   #67
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Alt Right "thought" leader Vox Day has some "thoughts" on Anders Breivik, mass murderer of young people:


The Alt Right is more violent, more despicable, more dangerous and unhinged than anything on the left. This statement from a leader in the Alt Right is no different than the people who support ISIS. They are planning to kill innocent people. There can be no doubt about that.
The actual alt right are despicable and dangerous yes. The vast amount majority of people accused of being alt right are not alt right though.

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To be fair, we didn't really discuss the alt-left. Nobody's even pointed out who that refers to.
Doesnt really matter what you call them labels are always misused and misapplied anyway. What does matter is that there are people on the left who will use violence against people they disagree with and other people on the left who apologize and make excuses for these people.
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Old 05-25-2017, 07:26 PM   #68
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I didn't call anyone anything.

All this **** about the alt-left and utoobz and we get to "it's a silly label and doesn't matter anyway".

Nice.
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Old 05-25-2017, 07:49 PM   #69
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I didn't call anyone anything.

All this **** about the alt-left and utoobz and we get to "it's a silly label and doesn't matter anyway".

Nice.
All that would happen is we would bicker about who belongs to this group and we will get bogged down in semantics so at the end of the day the label doesnt matter for now at least.

All that matters is that there are a section of people on the left who are ok with committing violence to try and shut down people free speech.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:09 PM   #70
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I don't know if we were going to "bicker" about who belongs to this group because we never got as far as a definition.

Although I'd be lying if I said I didn't suspect it was a poorly conceived word supposed to mean "people Marn dislikes". So instead of "semantics" we just had you circle round the houses about why youtube isn't a good reference and finish with "well, it's a ****ing meaningless term anyway". Cheers for that.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:18 PM   #71
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I don't know if we were going to "bicker" about who belongs to this group because we never got as far as a definition.

Although I'd be lying if I said I didn't suspect it was a poorly conceived word supposed to mean "people Marn dislikes". So instead of "semantics" we just had you circle round the houses about why youtube isn't a good reference and finish with "well, it's a ****ing meaningless term anyway". Cheers for that.
My argument was that Tim Pools account of what happened that day was accurate and in general he can be trusted as a source.



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Old 05-25-2017, 08:21 PM   #72
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Great. So what's Tim Pools' definition of "alt-left"?
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The actual alt right are despicable and dangerous yes. The vast amount majority of people accused of being alt right are not alt right though.
I'm sure some people called Alt-Right aren't, although it is a loose group.

Milo wrote the introduction to Vox Day's book and Day is Cernovitch's publisher/editor. They both claim not to be Alt-Right.
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Tim Pool is now treating the Seth Rich conspiracy as worthy of considering.
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Great. So what's Tim Pools' definition of "alt-left"?
I believe it was the people on the left that are ok with violence to shut down opponents.
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