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Old 05-11-2017, 08:49 AM   #1
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The Alt-Right Thread

This is a catch-all thread for discussing the Alt Right (Aka neo-white supremacy) movement.

We'll kick things off with Jack Posobiec:

Commentator Who Amplified Macron Hacks Given White House Press Access

Posobiec's "journalism" credits include breaking the story of a "Rape Melania" sign at an anti-Trump demonstration. Of course, part of the reason he broke the story is that he created the sign in the first place:

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Furthermore, as shown by a series of Posobiec's text messages obtained by BuzzFeed News and confirmed by a source who collaborated with Posobiec, the sign was the culmination of a disinformation campaign by Posobiec and others intended to paint the anti-Trump rallies as violent and out of control.
Posobiec has also promoted Pizzagate and lots of other nonsense. Now he has a White House press pass. USA!

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Old 05-12-2017, 09:12 AM   #2
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"Milo Inc., according to a press release, will be based in Miami, with a planned staff of 30. It will be in the business of what can be best described as corporatized trolling via live entertainment, with Yiannopoulos and his investors hosting events featuring right-wing talent. “The business of Madonna became touring,” said Yiannopoulos in a phone interview, citing the artist’s deal with Live Nation. “I’m doing the same thing, but instead of signing up with Live Nation, I’m building one. I’m building it for libertarian and conservative comedians, writers, stand-up comics, intellectuals, you name it.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/...-media-venture
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:25 AM   #3
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Id be interested to know what everyone thinks the alt right is?

Its my understanding that they they seem to have evolved and changed and many who identified with the alt right have now distanced themselves.

Pre election I thought they were young conservatives with a large online presence who liked to troll people then they seemed to branch off and now those who identify as alt right advocate for a white ethno state and seem to despise many individuals who people associate with the alt right . The first name that springs to mind would be Milo but there are others as well.

I remember seeing lots of memes during the election that I assumed were a mixture of satire and trolling. Looking back I think some may have been serious even whilst others were trolling.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:50 AM   #4
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You should be more worried about the alt-left and their rampant Islamophilia. This forum is infested by them while the alt right is all but absent.
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You should be more worried about the alt-left and their rampant Islamophilia. This forum is infested by them while the alt right is all but absent.
I'm interested in this idea as I've never heard of the alt-left before. What is it? What form does their rampant Ilamophilia take?
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:07 AM   #6
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I'm interested in this idea as I've never heard of the alt-left before. What is it? What form does their rampant Ilamophilia take?
A good summary from a classical liberal i respect.



Use your imagination for the term Islamophilia, if that is not enough, Google is your friend. Just like the term 'alt-left' it is a useful term, growing in popularity, due the lack of sufficiently descriptive vocabulary specifying the people and ideologies referred to.

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Old 05-12-2017, 10:19 AM   #7
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I don't want to watch that Youtube as I am at work. Would you mind providing a quick summary? Thanks!
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:24 AM   #8
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I don't want to watch that Youtube as I am at work. Would you mind providing a quick summary? Thanks!
Do some basic reading about the term yourself and we can start from there.
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Hmm okay I googled around a bit and I think I understand what they are. Can you maybe give me a bit more info on who in this forum is from them?

Sorry I know you're probably busy but you seem like you are well versed in this topic so I'd like to get info from you directly because if I google I might just be reading fake news.
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:49 AM   #10
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Hmm okay I googled around a bit and I think I understand what they are. Can you maybe give me a bit more info on who in this forum is from them?

Sorry I know you're probably busy but you seem like you are well versed in this topic so I'd like to get info from you directly because if I google I might just be reading fake news.
I am mostly just turning the tables around given all the nazi and alt-right language used on these forums. There are a few I would call alt-left, but not that many, for example OP is not alt-left. 5ive and einbert for example.
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:25 AM   #11
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One way of putting it is that 'alt left' is an alt word for 'regressive leftist' without painting every leftist with the same brush. It is a way of distinguishing leftists who respect freedom of speech and fact based debates from those who use illiberal methods to reach their goals.
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:53 AM   #12
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Do some basic reading about the term yourself and we can start from there.
Why don't you link to the "basic reading" for once instead of lol utoobing us?
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I am mostly just turning the tables around given all the nazi and alt-right language used on these forums.
Hmm okay, I guess this makes sense, although it seems like it can be a bit confusing for a newbie like me. I thought maybe this place was actually populated with many alt-left posters.

However, surely the existence and seeming popularity of the alt-left doesn't preclude us from talking about the alt-right? Is your objection that one gets its own thread and the other doesn't?

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There are a few I would call alt-left, but not that many, for example OP is not alt-left. einbert for example.
With you here.

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One way of putting it is that 'alt left' is an alt word for 'regressive leftist' without painting every leftist with the same brush. It is a way of distinguishing leftists who respect freedom of speech and fact based debates from those who use illiberal methods to reach their goals.
Ah okay. I guess this makes sense although I think we can talk about the alt-right too! But for now I'm interested in seeing more how this is a problem. What kind of illiberal methods are we talking about?
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:03 PM   #14
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Why don't you link to the "basic reading" for once instead of lol utoobing us?
He said he has no clue what the term means, I already posted a video and gave a short summary of why I think it is a useful term.
Language is fluid, the term is used for a reason, we lack other descriptive words so this is what many are starting to use to describe the deplorable left.
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Ah okay. I guess this makes sense although I think we can talk about the alt-right too! But for now I'm interested in seeing more how this is a problem. What kind of illiberal methods are we talking about?

The alt right is talked about frequently here and the other P forum, nobody is stopping you. Illiberal methods? Start with taking a look at the violent Berkeley protests and those supporting them.
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I just thought it might be a nice change of pace if your sources weren't a random vlog.

Does anybody out there profess to be from the "alt-left"?
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:20 PM   #17
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I just thought it might be a nice change of pace if your sources weren't a random vlog.

Does anybody out there profess to be from the "alt-left"?
I don't really care if they do, but they will notice when they are referred to as such.

How many do you think profess to be alt right on these forums who have been called alt right or even worse nazis?
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But that's the key difference. We know of a bunch of alt-righters who coined the term and recognised themselves as such in order for us to have it as a well grounded concept to which people can be compared. When a poster comes along who keeps hitting all of the alt-right talking points one by one, we can say "Yup, that guy's an alt-righter".

It's a lot harder to try and define a political movement when there's no actual movement to point to. This was the point at the start of the SJW thread. There isn't anyone out there starting the SJW movement. There's just an amorphous group of people where occasionally someone says "That's an SJW, that one, there!". Hence it's always been a fuzzy and generally unhelpful term.

It's not like you can't come up with terms for groups, but my question has to be: where are the leaders of the alt-left? Where are the alt-left groups?
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The alt right is talked about frequently here and the other P forum, nobody is stopping you.
Ah yes, I know that no one is actually stopping me (or anyone). I was just trying to dig down into what you posted. You said

"You should be more worried about the alt-left and their rampant Islamophilia." - Marn

which to me read as saying that, basically, we should not talk about the alt-right but should instead talk about the alt-left. I was simply asking "Why not both?"

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Illiberal methods? Start with taking a look at the violent Berkeley protests and those supporting them.
Sorry, are you talking about this?
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/r...8_reagan.shtml

I Googled for Berkeley protests and this is what I got. I don't think Reagan was alt-left though.

To be fair, I am pretty bad at the Googles so if you are talking about a different protest could you mention who it was supporting it and what illiberal things they did?
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:36 PM   #20
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Bladesman87,

You are British, right? If so you should know that 'alt right' is largely an American term with American 'leaders'. Does this entail that the whole phenomena of alt right does not exist in the British society since we can't point to an organized structure?
These terms are not well established, they are evolving with our use of them. Objecting to formal definitions of words will not stop people using them in ways they hope to convey what they mean in more descriptive language.
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Ah yes, I know that no one is actually stopping me (or anyone). I was just trying to dig down into what you posted. You said

"You should be more worried about the alt-left and their rampant Islamophilia." - Marn

which to me read as saying that, basically, we should not talk about the alt-right but should instead talk about the alt-left. I was simply asking "Why not both?"
Weird interpretation, you should be 'more worried' = should not talk about? Why?

Indeed we should talk about both, we are in total agreement.
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I just thought it might be a nice change of pace if your sources weren't a random vlog.

Does anybody out there profess to be from the "alt-left"?
Its not just a random vlog though. Tim Pool is a reporter on the ground who has been at various events and interviewed various members of the alt left , the alt right , and everything in between.

Its not like if he was writing for a newspaper or online news site his opinions and views would somehow be more credible , have you seen how disingenuous and lazy the mainstream media have been recently? Both on the right and the left btw.

Dont know if anyone on here professes to be on the alt left but there a few who condone the shutting down of free speech with violence and like to brand people fascists and white supremacists if they disagree with them.
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Sorry, are you talking about this?
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/r...8_reagan.shtml

I Googled for Berkeley protests and this is what I got. I don't think Reagan was alt-left though.

To be fair, I am pretty bad at the Googles so if you are talking about a different protest could you mention who it was supporting it and what illiberal things they did?
I am sure you know what I am talking about, never heard of the Reagan incident and I don't see why I should care, those were different times and a injustices took place, but sorry I would rather discuss current events.

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Weird interpretation, you should be 'more worried' = should not talk about? Why?

Indeed we should talk about both, we are in total agreement.
Ah, the reason I interpreted it that way was just the context of your response in "The Alt-Right Thread". If I misinterpreted your post, I apologize, and it seems we are in agreement that we should talk about both.
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I am sure you know what I am talking about, never heard of the Reagan incident and I don't see why I should care, those were different times and a injustices took place, but sorry I would rather discuss currently events.
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to derail your conversation, I just don't actually know what you're talking about. As you probably know, I'm a new poster to these politics things.

I wasn't suggesting we should talk about Reagan (I don't care about that either) it's just the link I found.

Honestly, I know people like to direct me to Google and stuff but there are a lot of posters, like you, on these forums that seem knowledgeable and I think it's helpful to get the info from you because, like I said, if I just google I might get fake news.
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