Unsurprisingly that I can work out for myself, given he can post but doesn't.

chez, buddy, lets not pretend you ever left the subject.

Mircobet has taken some heat for claiming that people were less racist in Revolutionary War times, although I might agree that in the Northern states there may well have been less animus/fear of black people than later on, since Colonial America (especially in the North) was mostly structured by class, rather than by race, where only landowning, white males could vote. Consequently, blacks were generally seen as no "worse" than unskilled, white laborers.

In fact, Howard Zinn espouses in the A People's History of the United States (2003) that it was wealthy whites who inflamed racist passions in the north in order to prevent blacks and poor/unskilled whites from banding together to improve their lot in life, since these two groups were realizing that their economic plight was stronger than the differences in their skin color.

You seem to have this conviction that slavery is somehow worse than anything else ever, including rape. Didn't you declare it would be better to be raped than to be a slave? Why would you think that? How about if you were raped regularly as a child for several years, does that come close? I'm not sure how you're measuring these injustices.

FoldnDark, given how you are struggling in these discussions I would have concerns about you posting that slavery may not be as bad as we think, because it makes you look like a ****ing idiot.

I don't know that we need an exact hierarchy of crimes against the person but being a slave often entailed being raped.

Sure we have, or we would if you and others didn't keep harking on about it.

The political problem of the dishonest approach of some liberals and the conduct of the usual usual that tards up this forum both predates the Brucez fiasco and continues to this day - it's no fiasco though.

"Some slaves won the damn lottery"

-BruceZ

Perhaps you don't understand the definition of proxy fight?

Foldn,

While Black slavery in America was certainly unique, there were lots of ways poor white people were treated badly, including slavery. So, maybe they could still be seen as men.

And, there are still slaves today; more than ever. If you eat chocolate, most likely someone getting your food was literally sold into slavery as property. If you eat tomatoes, most likely someone and their whole family were held behind fences and barbed wire for the season.

A lot of people will rationalize being directly cruel if it's how they support themselves. A lot more will do little or nothing about it if they are sufficiently removed.

Could you explain?

What makes you think foldn is struggling? He clearly has a grasp on the arbitrary nature of relativistic morality. Is the problem his emotional disposition towards historic fallacy and injustice isn't simply contemptuous?

As long as you understand the issue would be exactly the same if the Brucez fiasco had never happened.

I don't understand the thought process that gets someone there, but apparently to some people like FoldN and BruceZ, slavery wasn't all that bad.

I mean I guess it wouldn't be the life for you and me, but when compared to running around in the jungle or getting raped it's practically the lap of luxury.

Three squares guaranteed, a roof over the head, and learning a trade and all...

Why should I care what you think? You haven't even been following DS's train of thought that holds slave owners to standards of today while apparently letting child molesters of that day off the hook.

hahaha, that's a hilarious assertion.

So it's based on your speculation of their motives?
A person who examines, questions, speculates about the historic or plausible details of slave life only does so as a means to justify making slavery less bad?

Bruce was not comparing, mind you, the lives of different slaves, which while all abjectly terrible, there certainly were some slaves who had it considerably better off than others. He was comparing life as a slave to life in Africa.

Yeah I admit that I tend to draw some conclusions about people based on their arguments and the context of the discussion. Maybe FoldN is just play acting too?

Would a historian say the details of life comparison was accurate or plausible?

hahahahaahhahaha

In before low suicide rate among slaves cited as proof of life satisfaction.

Was BruceZ comparing an actual slave's life with a contemporaneous African or doing the old 'the descendents of slaves have it better than the descendents of Africans, you're welcome black people" thing?

Both. Because apparently getting guaranteed food is a good trade for being owned as property.

Contemptuous mockery is uninformative.

Would you elaborate?