Seek Standing Rock to listen and look at the literally tribal peoples who are now and still unifying while keeping their literally tribal identities.

Is it really being suggested that the above phrases can literally never evar evar be relevant?

omfg.

Arguments from experience can be relevant.

"I grew up in the hood where I saw black people frisked unncessarily by white cops every single day" - valid.

It's anecodotal but anecdotal evidence can prove something or other if it is repeated by enough people.

Also, if the witness starts to document the things he or she is seeing then it becomes "data" anyway.

The "objective fact" in such cases is where or not these things happened.

Or, it can be the source of ongoing bull****tery, as with the child in the Fort Worth video who kept insisted as she was being arrested that the cop's bodycam was fake. She repeated the claim SEVERAL times...for her to hold THAT belief, SOMEONE put it in her head.

One malfunctioning body cam somewhere does not mean they ALL malfunction...

I meant that there would have to be X amount of people with the same anecdotal evidence to make the claim something worth considering.

In the absence of hard data, it's the next best thing. What number X is, could be something for debate.

If the vast majority of black people in America think the country is racist, then there's probably something to that.

If the vast majority of people in an area think the system has not been working to their benefit, then there's probably something to that too.

OR...it could be self-fulfilling prophecies where the look for whatever 'fact' they believe supports their belief.

There are too many people out in society NOW who basically LOOK to be offended or who were somehow 'victimized' by some perceived slight...

Good points. I have another one that ties in with the discussion we're having on youtoob videos and the idea conservatives are exaggerating the calamities of PC abuse and "SJWs" for political benefit.

Anytime I get into a discussion and hear the complaint about "race baiters" like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and others who "make a career out of stirring up racial tension," I point out that they would be broke if it weren't so easy. It could be true they're exaggerating or misinterpreting the problems, but their crowds have point of view we do not, so it could be worth looking into deeper. They may well be right. And since we live in a democracy and they have pretty motivated numbers, we'd better pay attention or we won't like the results.

Identity politics, by which you mean acknowledging/challenging that different groups are treated differently by society, does not result in tribalism. It is a reaction to tribalism. The silencing of the acknowledgement of differential treatment of people in various groups, especially where that differential treatment is a breach of the law, is a fantasy that you will have to give up.

It always gives me a smile when people on the right attempt to distance themselves from its extremes, especially in the context of any discussion relating to PC. It shows their cowardice and their adherence to the very PC rules which I know boils their blood. If you could only just say what you feel, right foldn? lol

That's the theory. But in practice it reinforces tribalism because it literally encourages people to think with the colour of the skin and through their genitals.

We can combat racism together just as human beings. No need for all this "as a black man", "as a white man", "as a gay man" bollocks.

No it doesn't and people are free to think those ways.


We can combat racism by defying people who try to control and erase people's identities like racists do.

Disagree. Bare facts are useful but they are only the first step. Let's take police brutality. We can list the facts of how the police operate, but bare facts are placed against a subjective baseline. What should be the proper amount of police enforcement? "The proper amount" here isn't a fact, it's an evaluation subject to experience. And having different experiences can help have a wider set of information to base one's opinions on.

Please read your sentence slowly to yourself, in particular the part I emphasized. When you start writing literal nonsense like that it strongly indicates that you have no cogent point, just inarticulate, muddled feelings.

Do you think that to combat racism we need to be able to use terms which represent the groups subject to unfair treatment?

Let's try a thought experiment. You pick any group that you want, the majority or any minority, and you tell me what you think a member of that group would experience should they somehow forget that they were a member of that group. This isn't a trap. I've never asked this of anyone before. I suspect that your inability to see things from other perspectives will be laid bare if you attempt this. But hey, prove me wrong.

You need to read more.

You should stop avoiding confrontations with people who actually know what they are talking about if you want to improve. Your behavior suggests true cowardice, and is very representative of the alt right, which seeks out those young SJW's shrieking in frustration and will always cower out of a debate with an adult.

Wondering how you feel about Milo's apology? In case you missed it it starts

I think Lord either left for good or is producing a series of 806 tedious youtubez that will convince even his harshest critics.

I doubt he leaves voluntarily.