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762 murders in Chicago this year.  One question: 762 murders in Chicago this year.  One question:

01-05-2017 , 01:10 AM
What about the police who are not members of LEAP?
01-05-2017 , 01:25 AM
So... in that video where the handicap kid is being tortured on the southside of Chicago...

Was that the police's fault? Was it a policeman videotaping the torture? Did the policeman force them to do that?
01-05-2017 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
That link backs up everything I've said. Like, how can people not understand this? You expect cops to go out there and let people take the first shot at them? Lol, never. No one is that stupid. It's a job, they aren't social workers trying to help people out. And I'm the one who's naive?

#1 goal of a police officer is to make it home in one piece. It's not rocket science. If cops don't think their commanding officers have their back they just ain't doing more than they have to, period. Why would they? Would you? **** no, and I don't blame you.

I truly don't understand why we have to even discuss these things. They are trivially easy to understand.
Cops have to wear a lot of different hats (at least in Ontario), social worker trying to help people is definitely one of them.

It's your thread, obviously you wanted to discuss something, maybe not these things (whatever the fk they specifically are, I'm not sure, and presumably you won't say), but surely something. How about your contention that Chicago's 2016 murder rate was caused by BLM? That deserves at least a few declarative statements and some expounding on.

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Originally Posted by Michael1999
So... in that video where the handicap kid is being tortured on the southside of Chicago...

Was that the police's fault? Was it a policeman videotaping the torture? Did the policeman force them to do that?
Nope, or, I sure hope not. Proceed guvna.

Last edited by Oroku$aki; 01-05-2017 at 03:53 AM.
01-05-2017 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael1999
So... in that video where the handicap kid is being tortured on the southside of Chicago...

Was that the police's fault? Was it a policeman videotaping the torture? Did the policeman force them to do that?
It's obviously the white, mentally handicapped kid's fault that the BLM people kidnapped and tortured him. Haven't you been paying attention to what everyone has been telling you?

http://www.tmz.com/2017/01/04/chicag...-live-arrests/
01-05-2017 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Cops have to wear a lot of different hats (at least in Ontario), social worker trying to help people is definitely one of them.
Maybe we should discuss Norway?
01-05-2017 , 04:41 AM
I didn't want to speak for American police when people here know I'm Canadian, but the point I'm making is that it's likely you're incorrect, and police in America have to wear different hats (including social worker) as well.

You can say "nope", and that's that. Unless google is my friend..
01-05-2017 , 04:47 AM
So, chezlaw, we're good with "the BLM people" here?



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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
It's obviously the white, mentally handicapped kid's fault that the BLM people kidnapped and tortured him. Haven't you been paying attention to what everyone has been telling you?

http://www.tmz.com/2017/01/04/chicag...-live-arrests/
01-05-2017 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
So, chezlaw, we're good with "the BLM people" here?
This is wonderful. There's a video of a mentally handicapped person being tortured as a racist hate crime, and 5ive is concern is that I'm pointing out the politics of the torturers.

lol, dude. Just lol.
01-05-2017 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Maybe we should discuss Norway?
Anyway, fk Norway and the OPP, this is the part I'm interested in hearing you talk about:

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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Cops have to wear a lot of different hats (at least in Ontario), social worker trying to help people is definitely one of them.

It's your thread, obviously you wanted to discuss something, maybe not these things (whatever the fk they specifically are, I'm not sure, and presumably you won't say), but surely something. How about your contention that Chicago's 2016 murder rate was caused by BLM? That deserves at least a few declarative statements and some expounding on.
01-05-2017 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
This is wonderful. There's a video of a mentally handicapped person being tortured as a racist hate crime, and 5ive is concern is that I'm pointing out the politics of the torturers.

lol, dude. Just lol.
It reads as if you're saying BLM activists are torturers.
01-05-2017 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
This is wonderful. There's a video of a mentally handicapped person being tortured as a racist hate crime, and 5ive is concern
It's this simple, and a choice you've had before:

1. Either you're too stupid to comprehend my concern and actually believe what you've typed, or,

2. You're not, and are doing some more asinine trolling.


Either way, I was curious about chez' stance.


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is that I'm pointing out the politics of the torturers.

lol, dude. Just lol.

And "politics of the torturers" goes another level of not making sense.
01-05-2017 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
It reads as if you're saying BLM activists are torturers.
Well Oru knows how to ruin the fun.



01-05-2017 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
This is wonderful. There's a video of a mentally handicapped person being tortured as a racist hate crime, and 5ive is concern is that I'm pointing out the politics of the torturers.

lol, dude. Just lol.

This is wonderful. There's a video of a mentally handicapped person being tortured as a racist hate crime, and Toothsayer's concern is exploiting the poor child's suffering to disparage a protest movement not even related (except in that 1 way...).

lol, dude. Just lol.
01-05-2017 , 05:11 AM
The 3rd-string waste of life most definitely always gives you a bunch of cards to play.
01-05-2017 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
I went into this thinking, despite lolwil, I'm gonna see a clip of people getting brazenly beaten and killed, and instead,









see a clip of nothing happening. An open-air drug market where both buyers and dealers are minding their business, only looking out for police. You could walk these streets and get ignored by everybody save for the police, who will assume you're there to buy or sell drugs.


Lol same. Wil is a pussy. lol wil.
01-05-2017 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
It's obviously the white, mentally handicapped kid's fault that the BLM people kidnapped and tortured him. Haven't you been paying attention to what everyone has been telling you?



http://www.tmz.com/2017/01/04/chicag...-live-arrests/


Lol?
01-05-2017 , 05:54 AM
Come on TS, you can still pull this 1 out!

Swing it 'round to the moozlimz somehow and post those blue circles!!

You can do it!!!
01-05-2017 , 06:02 AM
https://twitter.com/hashtag/blmkidnapping

This pathetic derplord thought he'd get away with some meme-magic in the big leagues. That's how comfortable Unchained made these people.


01-05-2017 , 07:56 AM
4 Anti-TRUMP Blacks Kidnap a White Disabled Man, Torture Him,Record the Whole Incident, Post it To Facebook In Chicago

Let the calls from P to shut down this forum begin.
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Police Supt. Eddie Johnson told reporters that two males and two females, including the woman who shot the video, were in custody. Fox 32 Chicago reported that formal charges were expected to be filed Thursday.

Police Commander Kevin Duffin said that officers were investigating whether hate crime charges were appropriate due to the race of the victim and the alleged perpetrators.

Police said the unidentified 18-year-old victim lives in Crystal Lake, a northwestern suburb of Chicago. Investigators believe he met some acquaintances in Streamwood, a neighboring suburb. The group then drove him to Chicago in a stolen vehicle, Fox 32 Chicago reported.

Authorities say the victim, believed to be in his late teens or early 20s, was kept tied up with his mouth taped shut in an apartment on the city's west side. The video shows the victim being repeatedly kicked and hit, while his scalp was cut.

At one point in the video, the victim was held at knife point and told to curse President-elect Donald Trump. The group also forced the victim to drink water from a toilet.

The suspects can also be heard saying they want the video to go viral.
01-05-2017 , 08:45 AM
adios tripping over himself to get here without reading the thread lol
01-05-2017 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
I didn't want to speak for American police when people here know I'm Canadian, but the point I'm making is that it's likely you're incorrect, and police in America have to wear different hats (including social worker) as well.

You can say "nope", and that's that. Unless google is my friend..
You're wrong about every topic you talk about, you want me to just side with you because you think you're right?

lol
01-05-2017 , 11:06 AM
Chicago had 970 murders in 1972 and 943 in 1992.

The murder rate dropped in the 00s but jumped back up in the 10s. So basically 50 of the last 60 years Chicago has had a ridiculously high murder rate.

The 2015 murder rate per capita was little more than half that in 1972 and 1992.

The bigger issue is the huge drop in the clearance rates in murders. It has fallen by close to 400% over the years.

I was born in Chicago and left at a relatively young age but my parents spent a large portion of their life there so I have a pretty good education on the historical realities of Chicago and it's fairly unique pedigree steeped in massive corruption that sometimes led to the trains running on time.

Things didn't start to go south until late in the first Mayor Daley's run. However I think his run set the table for decades and decades of issues.

Suffice it to say Chicago's problems predate Ferguson by a lot and even the resurgence that led to it being called Chiraq predates Ferguson.

While you might certainly pin the ferguson effect on other places, I would say Chicago is a pretty unique snowflake. Following advice from New York and LA, Chicago was able to drop murder rates to a 40 plus year low, in the mid 2000s. Yet things started ramping up long before Ferguson, culminating with New York and Los Angeles, combined, having fewer murders in 2016. To me that is an indication that Chicago cast aside best practices and fell into a pit. With stops, arrests, convictions and officer numbers all greatly declining, I don't think the problem is tension between police and the citizens. By pretty much every metric their impact and interactions are fewer than those super low rates of 12 years ago.
01-05-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
Lol same. Wil is a pussy. lol wil.
What, exactly, am I a pussy about?
01-05-2017 , 11:29 AM
Markksman are you Sarah Palin?
01-05-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I don't know how the neighborhoods in Chicago work but the bad neighborhoods in philly are unwalkable. Same with Camden. Same with West Baltimore. I don't get scared going into most neighborhoods but there are some I absolutely do not belong in and will not go to.
I got lost in Camden once. We were coming back from Atlantic City headed to Cherry Hills. A car had a tire blow out and we had to swerve to avoid it and missed our exit. We later arrived at the Benjamin Franklin Bridge and realized we were going the wrong direction. We saw a sign that said Camden business district and though this sounds like a nice place to turn around. We were four white people in a red rental car. We couldn't figure out how to get back on the freeway and it was starting to get dark. I ran into a convenience store to get directions. Everybody inside stopped and looked at me, kinda like the scene in Animal House. The guy behind the counter said I shouldnt be in there. He gave me directions and we finally got out. It was terrifying! When we got back to my Aunt house were we were staying, nobody believed we got out of there alive.

      
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