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BTW, I find it appalling that the attitude is "these neighborhoods aren't all that bad" and "maybe its inept policing" in response to 4000 shootings.

Like, wtf is wrong with you people? 700 ****ing people died. What the ****?

01-03-2017 , 10:18 PM

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I don't know how the neighborhoods in Chicago work but the bad neighborhoods in philly are unwalkable. Same with Camden. Same with West Baltimore. I don't get scared going into most neighborhoods but there are some I absolutely do not belong in and will not go to.

his family probably lives in lincoln park or gold Coast. maybe one of the nicer south side neighborhoods.

he has no idea what he's talking about. I'm not sure why he posted either

01-03-2017 , 10:26 PM

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You sure as **** don't go walking around parts of the southside of Chicago willynilly. In the old days you didn't do that on the westside either, that may have changed.

01-03-2017 , 10:28 PM

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I grew up in a rough zip code. Plenty of crime there, but relatively safe (during the day) It is incomparable to the really bad streets in philly, though. It's literally a different world. Every business has steel bars and bullet proof glass, and the residential areas are totally unwalkable. Driving through them in the day is rough, walking through them is unthinkable.

01-03-2017 , 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GBP04

his family probably lives in lincoln park or gold Coast. maybe one of the nicer south side neighborhoods.

he has no idea what he's talking about. I'm not sure why he posted either

I think it's safe to say 5ive is a towering idiot. Every word out of his mouth is something laughably stupid. "nah man, 3 people got shot on that street in the last week but it's cool you can hang out there".

Wow.

01-03-2017 , 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael1999

There were 4,300 shootings in Chicago. Just because one cop screwed up big time and they tried to sweep it under the rug doesn't mean this is happening every night.

And even if it happened once a night every night that would still make up only like 5% of all the 4,300 shootings.

Lets focus on the cops though lol.

You missed the point. If Chicago's police force is corrupt, if they routinely falsify reports and etc. as they did in the McDonald case, then the erosion of public trust could have a negative impact.

I doubt that's the only factor. And even if it's no factor at all, the people of Chicago still deserve a police force that isn't corrupt.

01-03-2017 , 11:46 PM

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It's not complicated. You don't call the cops to explain who stole your drugs or who isn't honoring your neighborhood agreement. There was a time when this gang **** was only in black neighborhoods then everyone my age started to listen to snoopdogg and bonethugs. The **** is everywhere, every poor neighborhood here in florida, white or black. There are no jobs and trumps labor secretary is going to outsource McDonalds to the robots. What do you really think is next?

01-03-2017 , 11:48 PM

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Need some input. Can one complain about Chicago PD's black sites or will that cause more murders in Chicago and put more blood on liberals' hands?

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The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ans-black-site

01-03-2017 , 11:50 PM

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See? Even the cops don't call the cops, wtf.

01-04-2017 , 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GBP04

this isn't even remotely true

of course this is by no means exclusive to chicago. but it's nice that you think we can walk around Garfield or austin at night. I don't even know why you posted this

So the counterpoint is you're going to get shot and killed, is that what you're saying?

01-04-2017 , 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Need some input. Can one complain about Chicago PD's black sites or will that cause more murders in Chicago and put more blood on liberals' hands?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ans-black-site

I'm uncomfortable with this, but after wading through about twenty "free Brian Jacob Church" websites I finally found that he was held at one of these "black" sites for about a half a day without an attorney before being moved to a regular police station. He later served half of a five year term for terrorism related charges.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ur-to-30-years

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Chicago police, along with the FBI and the Secret Service, raided the Chicago apartment the three men used as a safe house and recovered pipe bomb instructions, an improvised mortar made from PVC piping, a crossbow, knives, throwing stars, a map of Chicago and four fire bombs, according to prosecutors.

Again, it does sound scary to have black sites on the homeland, but I am confident they are getting some exposure to air and light.

01-04-2017 , 02:12 AM

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What does that have to do with anything?

01-04-2017 , 02:25 AM

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Perhaps it was inept policing? Do you have evidence for this claim? It seems unlikely that a 50% spike can be attributed to that.

You attributed it to inept policing in the OP and clarified that in post #4.

01-04-2017 , 02:31 AM

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You sure as **** don't go walking around parts of the southside of Chicago willynilly. In the old days you didn't do that on the westside either, that may have changed.

As someone who walked through every neighborhood of Los Angeles/Compton/North Long Beach in the late 80's and early 90's and still sometimes today and lived in one of the poorest neighborhoods in Oakland in the mid-80s, I don't put any stock in the "you can't walk in that neighborhood" talk. I did daily, for work, for a long time, and nothing bad ever happened to me.

01-04-2017 , 02:48 AM

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Yeah, I've worked in some of the run down "sketchy" areas of St. Louis for years with no issue, although some of my co-workers witnessed a drive by. Another of the contractors I've worked with who lived in N. St. Louis has a bullet still lodged in his arm from getting shot by a crackhead on a bike as a teenager. Both of those happened during the day I believe, but like I said, never to me.

So anyway, I guess I'm not overly worried during the day, but night is a way different story. How about you, would you feel comfortable walking around in the neighborhoods you mentioned at night?

01-04-2017 , 02:50 AM

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Also an aging population makes a difference. Fewer young men around I'm guessing. The economy, jobs, housing market.

But I heard the Cubs recently signed a blood pact with the devil.

Wasn't one of the factors in the decline of violent crime supposed to be a reduction in the lead in petrol? Or is that theory no longer in vogue?

01-04-2017 , 02:52 AM

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Wasn't one of the factors in the decline of violent crime supposed to be a reduction in the lead in petrol? Or is that theory no longer in vogue?

I think it's still one of them. Gas and lead paint. Almost 50% of children in the 70's had elevated blood lead levels (above 10 ug/dl), now it's less than 3% nationwide I believe.

This is just Flint, MI, but I'm pretty sure the national rates were about the same.

meh I can't find anything that goes back to the 70's, but you get the picture.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/63/wr/mm6355a5.htm

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01-04-2017 , 02:57 AM

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Foldn,

Back then, definitely not. Now, mostly not, but walking around alone in the dark could make one nervous in a lot of neighborhoods.

I wasn't even always 100% comfortable during the day, especially when I started that work at like 18, but I'm pretty open to challenging myself and I got more comfortable.

01-04-2017 , 03:00 AM

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Re lead: yeah, My generation grew up swimming in it.

I don't know if this has been debunked or not but Freakonomics had a thing about violent crime dropping because of Roe v Wade like 20 years earlier.

01-04-2017 , 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

H Wil, this is the sort of thing that will be welcome in one of the

threads.

01-04-2017 , 04:12 AM

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Hopefully Wil has ideas on how to lower Chicago's murder rate.

01-04-2017 , 05:05 AM

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Hopefully Wil has ideas on how to lower Chicago's murder rate.

Well I just snapped my fingers so I'm pretty sure the $100MM+ illegal drug trade just disappeared. I gotta check to be certain though.

01-04-2017 , 08:33 AM

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Probably safe to say that as usual we look for one factor to explain a trend when there are many.

01-04-2017 , 08:35 AM

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obv we need to punch more children so they'll grow up more well-behaved.

01-04-2017 , 09:22 AM

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obv we need to punch more children so they'll grow up more well-behaved.

Hi trolly, this is the sort of thing that will be welcome in one of the

threads.

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