So, we're providing support for Saudi's proxy war with Iran, enabling a new round of genocide in Yemen with our hardware (growing worse by the day). And yet we know full-well that this is a country that is funding ISIS to this day, a murderous organization that is threatening to erase many of the no-bid "gains" the neocons made in Baghdad.

I'd like to challenge anyone still interested is real discussion here to sort that one out for us. I mean, I'm confident I know the answer. But what's your take?

My take is is that a lot of ppl call it a cluster **** for a reason.

Kill on Sight?

King of Serpents?

Who do you think killed JFK? Was it Oswald? Was he acting alone?

Nah, peak oil, of course.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_Energy

Pretty clearly a basilisk

King of Siam

Was Oswald the name of a basilisk?

Was he under the control of Tom Riddle?

Yeah, Jiggs I see how they must of constantly trolled you in regular politics. The Saudi government is dirtier than crude oil for sure.

it's about what you can expect here. ... Cesspool.

Ah well. Fish rots from the head.

But the thread premise underscores our unwillingness to face and deal with our real enemy in the region. As well as, just like 9/11 and their role in it, our unwillingness to even talk about it. More than likely because they have dirt on us, and we've kinda become their bitch. And that's awkward.

Some Americans fund settlements in east jerusalem. Some fund palestinian resistance. Some Americans fund Iranian proxies. Some fund Nigerian resource bandits. Some fund sunnis. Some fund shia. There is no single answer to what is going wrong in the ME. This is not a new problem imo.

Not sure what head you are talking about rotting, this forum is literally designed as a place with no rules to keep bs out of the adult forum where discussion is supposed to occur.

Enemy is way too black and white if a term for the Saudis, like everything else in Middle East policy its fd up and complicated.

I dont think the U.S. is "their bitch" because the Saudis have dirt as much as it's just unseemly geopolitical alignment. Most of us here aren't under any illusions as to what the Saudis are.

The Saudi governed is not funding ISIS and the assertion that we support the government because of "dirt" is hard for me to take seriously. Not as hard as the claim of genocide in Yemen that is pure Iran propoganda.
Skipping to the answer seems prudent.

FYP



Lou's answer seems semi-ok. Genocide is pretty slipperyslope, the ISIS funding thing, I bet probably the Saudi involvement was similar to the that of the USA. Whether or not they were specifically in on ISIS is pretty irrelevant.

House Saud starting more proxy wars with Iran is like burning down your home so that your neighbor won't **** in your lawn. When it is their 911 we shouldn't give a crap. Our next 911? Let's just say I don't we shouldn't invade Afghanistan Pakistan or Iran.

don't you think that's a little naive? ... while obviously the royals don't fund them directly so that the world has hard evidence, millions in private Saudi donations poor in to ISIS and Riyadh does little to stop it.

"The time is not far off in the Middle East ... when it will be literally 'God help the Shia'. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them." - Prince Bandar bin Sultan

The airstrikes are relentless and indiscriminate. Perhaps you have a situational definition of the term.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/04...ocide-in-Yemen

Professor Rodney Shakespeare, a London-based political analyst, (gave) his take on Saudi Arabia’s military campaign against the Yemeni nation.

Shakespeare says what the Riyadh regime does in Yemen is very similar to the “creeping genocide” that Israel has conducted against Palestinians in Gaza. Starting with a military strike to kill civilians, the Saudis will then proceed to target the infrastructure and finish with putting a blockade on the country, he adds.

I do not think it is naive. We know that Saudi government is funding anti-ISIS efforts. I don't see the security benefit to the royal family.
Professor Rodney Shakespeare should get checks from Tehran or a neo nazi organization calling either a genocide. In a few millennium the combined deaths in Yemen and Gaza might equal the last two years of fighting in Syria.

Ok I realize your post was a troll now lol

this one's definitely about oil Jiggs. so light. so sweet.

i know this is going to be confusing but i'll give it a go. forget "the Saudi government" for a second. obviously simplifying a lot here, but there's two groups in SA, Royals and Mullahs. the Royals want to keep power and continue being unimaginably rich. the problem is debauchery isn't an effective governing program, especially in a conservative Muslim country.

now the Mullahs. the first king of SA made a deal with a fringe, ultra-conservative religious leader. the way i understand it the Mullahs would control domestic policy and religious matters, and the king would have veto power or something. the point is its been a balancing act between the 2 sides for a while.

here's the problem. the perfect vision of Islam that Saudia Arabia has been teaching within the kingdom and proselytizing around the Muslim world, the best expression of that today is ISIS. ISIS is also fighting SA's (Sunni Islam's) 1500 year old enemy, Iran (the Shia).

of course the king and his 675 US educated kids for the most part hate ISIS. for a lot of very influential people there its not so simple.

I believe the royals moderate SA and have done a reasonable job of keeping SA stable. They are worthy of our support given the curve that you must use when grading ME allies.

wait, what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijacke...ber_11_attacks

Is that directed to me? I was aware that Bin Laden and the crew were Saudi's. What is your point?

It seems nobody has yet answered the question.

They are stably cranking out oil and oil wars. Do we need to color code a map of the middle east? Every last country is unstable (due to usa policies) or stable (cause they are our 'allies'). Not saying Iran #1 great people etc, but look in the mirror or you will stay ridiculous hypocritical stuff like SA is stable and a great partner USA#1. jmo

Who cares if the Saudi "government" is directly funding ISIS? To point out that they aren't is an attempt to confuse the truth. The truth is, although several recent developments have engendered the formation of ISIS, no single group of people are more directly responsible for ISIS and their advancement than the Saudis. ISIS is deeply rooted in the radical Islam aggressively proselytized by the Saudi royal family and their associates. The rich oil beneficiaries throughout the region- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar etc - continue to arm and fund ISIS. And the KoS government did fund and arm those who would become ISIS, as did the U.S. (ostensibly an inadvertence). The fact that one high profile subgroup (the proper government of SA) has, for diplomatic reasons, cut off support after the morphing into ISIS doesn't mean much at all. The KoS is the massively influential doctrinal wellspring out of which ISIS is but an opportunistic outgrowth. Whether it's actual royals or other rich radicals in SA and in the region who are supporting ISIS at this point is inconsequential to the question of responsibility for ISIS.

It's pretty clear why the U.S. government continues to support KoS in spite of their being more or less wholly responsible for the terrorism and other repressive functions of fundamentalist Islamic. Why people like you go along with it fascinates me.