Maybe I'm just confused between what a capitalist, an anarchist, or other political ideologies are. But most hard core capitalists I know consider most forms of government taxation as stealing.

So your great-great-great-grandfather fell on hard times and told Mr. Smith that in exchange for a job, 10% of any future Batair family wealth would go to the Smith family...

Tomorrow you get a knock on your door. It's Mr. Smith's great-great-great-grandson. He wants his 10% of your wealth. You gonna give it to him?

Or maybe you're going to say your great-great-great-grandfather doesn't speak for you? Well, I'm gonna say that those in charge of the government +100 years ago don't speak for me. If it's not in the constitution it can be altered. Heck, even the constitution can be altered. It's called an amendment!

Im not going to keep going with the derail. If you think we should stop paying them. Ok.

The problem with the "let's look forward, not back" idea is it's an escape mechanism, to avoid the unknown. We know how the system's set up now and it works so we shouldn't tip the apple cart.

The problem is that's been used at every stage of the African American experience in order to deny any meaningful and potentially painful change.

Slavery was bad, but we shouldn't pay them back that'll make them lazy, best to just not have open slavery anymore. Oh yea Jim Crow is bad, but we can't pay them back for lost opportunities and maybe it's best if blacks stay where they're at and not try and buy a house in a white neighborhood. Sure redlining is bad. Let's outlaw explicit redlining but let's not pay them back for all the terrible contracts we gave them, let's let the free market give them terrible deals because of their bad credit, etc etc. Sure blacks have minimal wealth compared to whites with the same income because of theft of black wealth on a grand scale, let's give them some educational opportunities and that should fix things up.

Who doesn't question how it is spent? That's what democrcay is for.

They sound pretty dumb. This is one of those silly ancap arguments.

Ok so if the dizygotic twin with one copy doesn't do better than their twin with no copy then that disproves the theory? Wouldn't that falsification require holding other evolution constant? There could be other pathways to intelligence that emerged and would confound the issue. It's tricky to think about. Plus that would only falsify that particular mechanism if it did falsify anything. There could be other mechanisms arising from the social selection pressures so it wouldn't falsify all such theories.

First, I think you should read the Pinker article: https://newrepublic.com/article/77727/groups-and-genes

He touches on some of your concerns, and talks about how we shouldn't be afraid to continue exploring our natural world through scientific inquiry, no matter how worried we are of the implications of the realities we may discover. Science is science, and when politics gets in the way, it ceases to be. Notice the article was written 10 years ago, and as far as I know there still has not been a study done to confirm or falsify the theory presented.

Why is that a bad thing? Well, maybe it's not. Maybe "no go zones" in science are needed to prevent social turmoil. I'll bring up two objections:

1) Pretty much what Pinker argues. We shouldn't be afraid of reality, and scientific discovery is important on it's own. The study of genetics should not be shackled by political correctness. History has never been kind to that practice, and who knows what advances in medicine, for example, could be put off by closing certain doors to research.

2) It actually helps the White Supremacists of the world when they can point to truths that are ignored, like the observed higher average intelligence of Ashkenazi Jews, and the fact research is stifled can be spun into whatever narrative they want. I'm of the opinion you don't help your enemies by making them right, and they appear to be right in this case that science is being politicized. When you stop doing that, you take that argument away.

If the study Pinker calls for falsifies the theory, you can argue their ideas have no scientific validity. If the study confirms the theory, then you just deal with the truth. I don't think we'll necessarily have another holocaust if it turned out to be true that some ethnic groups have slightly higher average intelligence due to their genetics. Anyway, we can put off the research all we want, it's going to be done somewhere sometime. Better here than say China, imo.

I get that your intentions are good, and I even assume guys like Fly and Trolly believe they're on the side of good when they try to paint me (and apparently Steven Pinker) as a White Supremacist, but you should consider how far down that rabbit hole you're willing to go (in your case purposefully suppressing scientific inquiry, and in theirs by lying and smearing) to fight the good fight. You should question if it does more harm than good to the cause of social justice.

Jonathan Haidt gives a talk that captures the problems we're having today in this struggle between truth and social justice.
http://heterodoxacademy.org/2016/10/...ocial-justice/

I feel like Borodog dropped some acid, went to frooty tooty land for a while, came back but not quite, and now we have Shame Trolly. Confirm/deny?

That's what happens when leftists don't know how to actually debate the points. Lol

LMFAO deny.

FYI: the odious Borodog did come back. He hasn't posted here regular since 2012. How would you, with a July 2015 reg date, even be familiar with his spew ??

Well first, you're the (self-hating) leftist. I'm a Neo-Gorean. We're in favor of female sex slavery. So I'm hardly a leftist. Try to keep it straight.

Second, smarty-pants, which of the points do you want to school me on...

• Steeling money is always wrong. Do you agree with me here, or do you wanna debate this issue as a leftist?
  
• There aren't some issues where stealing is OK. Do you agree with me here, or do you wanna debate this issue as a leftist?

Except for the fact that all those "conspiracy theories" Alex jones talked about have proven to be right with all the govt corruption we see now with hildog that is all out in the open now.