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02-25-2014 , 11:18 PM
To clarify, I'm a miserable prick. I've lied, cheated and stolen things in my life. I am not even close to a model citizen by any standard.

But Sliver Man, you're such a reprehensible human being that even I can come across as a better person than you. An admitted liar, thief and cheat can be a god damn saint in comparison.
02-25-2014 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I'm still waiting to hear about why I should be outraged that there are roughly 80k people with Down syndrome on welfare.
It's the hugs. Outrageous those people hug so much on my dime!
02-26-2014 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
To clarify, I'm a miserable prick. I've lied, cheated and stolen things in my life. I am not even close to a model citizen by any standard.

But Sliver Man, you're such a reprehensible human being that even I can come across as a better person than you. An admitted liar, thief and cheat can be a god damn saint in comparison.
You say these things because you can't coherently argue the points I have made.

I mean, yes, sure, I want people to do well and live happy fulfilling lives. But I really just care about my family and friends when it comes down to it. My mom back in Illinois has to sell her house because her money goes to bills and the rest goes to taxes.

She'd be a lot less stressed out if she didn't have to pay a lot in taxes.

I don't want her money going to to help idiots and bureaucratic con-artists when she is barely staying above water herself.

Got a problem with that bro??? I'm a bad person because of that bro???
02-26-2014 , 02:40 AM
I'm willing to bet that, idiot man-child that you are, you probably aren't getting the full story from your mom, or you don't properly understand the situation and you let your insane biases paint a full picture with incomplete information.

That you get angry about it and want to yell incoherently about it, yes, that makes you a fairly bad person.
02-26-2014 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
I'm willing to bet that, idiot man-child that you are, you probably aren't getting the full story from your mom, or you don't properly understand the situation and you let your insane biases paint a full picture with incomplete information.

That you get angry about it and want to yell incoherently about it, yes, that makes you a fairly bad person.
I'll bet that if someone posted about their being downtrodden and stepped needing more govt handouts you'd automatically believe them.
02-26-2014 , 03:14 AM
Nah, I very rarely believe anything a multi-billion dollar corporation has to say
02-26-2014 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
I'm willing to bet that, idiot man-child that you are, you probably aren't getting the full story from your mom
God shut up you douche...

Her house in on the market because after her bills....everything else goes to the government for taxes...

So there really isn't a point to keeping her place because she can't get ahead because of those taxes...

And I'm supposed to care about the endless amount of degenerates and derelicts ?

I state I don't care about them and only concerned with family and friends. I give an example to help show why I don't care about others getting tax money. And all you can say is....I bet it isn't true....because you can't argue against what I'm saying and the reason I'm saying it...
02-26-2014 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
God shut up you douche...

Her house in on the market because after her bills....everything else goes to the government for taxes...

So there really isn't a point to keeping her place because she can't get ahead because of those taxes...

And I'm supposed to care about the endless amount of degenerates and derelicts ?

I state I don't care about them and only concerned with family and friends. I give an example to help show why I don't care about others getting tax money. And all you can say is....I bet it isn't true....because you can't argue against what I'm saying and the reason I'm saying it...
I can't argue against what you're saying because I don't have numbers in front of me to dispute any of it. It's just a pointless anecdote.

Say she takes in $5,000 a month, her vaguely defined "bills" are $4800 a month, and she has $300 taken out of her income per month. No, I would not say in this instance that taxes are crushing her.

But we don't have any numbers to look at. We don't know the situation as well as you don't. We just are supposed to take your word for it that you understand the situation. You've demonstrated time and again that this would be folly, taking your word on anything. So, no, I refuse to take the word of an uneducated, petulant child.
02-26-2014 , 08:37 AM
\silverman why am I supposed to care about some degenerate whore who bought a house the can't afford? There is no we /Silverman
02-26-2014 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
Nah, I very rarely believe anything a multi-billion dollar corporation has to say
Nice dodge
02-26-2014 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
I can't argue against what you're saying because I don't have numbers in front of me to dispute any of it. It's just a pointless anecdote.

Say she takes in $5,000 a month, her vaguely defined "bills" are $4800 a month, and she has $300 taken out of her income per month. No, I would not say in this instance that taxes are crushing her.

But we don't have any numbers to look at. We don't know the situation as well as you don't. We just are supposed to take your word for it that you understand the situation. You've demonstrated time and again that this would be folly, taking your word on anything. So, no, I refuse to take the word of an uneducated, petulant child.
On $5000 take home taxes are going to be a lot more than $300 a month typically and if we count FICA. In Illinois state income tax is 6% IIRC. Then we have property taxes and then Obamacare which is a tax (see SCOTUS and John Roberts) so we are talking a lot more than $300 at that level of pay.

Question for you, for someone who is grossing $6000 a month where is the threshold that taxes are excessive?
02-26-2014 , 10:09 AM
Illinois is a high tax state, but no people aren't getting an "Obamacare Tax" taken out of their paycheck. The fine for not having healthcare was (correctly IMO) ruled a tax.

If she's single and just taking the standard deduction (which is probably overstating it because she owns a house LDO) she'd pay ~$16K in total taxes (before property taxes, but including SS and Medicare)
02-26-2014 , 10:42 AM
Simple. Follow the Constitution, stop ignoring the tenth amendment, and get the Feds out of the entitlement business. States already run programs that cover everything the Feds do outside of maybe Social Security. Eliminating just that layer of bureaucracy would be huge savings.
02-26-2014 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Yes, we have established you are a sociopath and give zero ****s about those that aren't well off.

Now explain why, given this attitude, I should give any ****s about whether the government or anyone else takes your stuff by force.
Horrible post. What are you trying to say if you care about others and have a great attitude you shouldn't have to pay taxes?
02-26-2014 , 10:58 AM
Wrong. Read the whole conversation and try again.
02-26-2014 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
she is barely staying above water herself.
Maybe she's eligible for food stamps.
02-26-2014 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty Lost
Simple. Follow the Constitution, stop ignoring the tenth amendment, and get the Feds out of the entitlement business. States already run programs that cover everything the Feds do outside of maybe Social Security. Eliminating just that layer of bureaucracy would be huge savings.
"Guys, I've got it. Instead of one Social Security Administration, let's have 50 of them and POCKET THE SAVINGS."
02-26-2014 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
"Guys, I've got it. Instead of one Social Security Administration, let's have 50 of them and POCKET THE SAVINGS."

If SS was the only program the Feds ran you might not look like a tool, but nice swing and a miss.
02-26-2014 , 03:23 PM
So state governments currently only run zero programs? If it's more than zero, you might look like a tool.

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Originally Posted by adios
On $5000 take home taxes are going to be a lot more than $300 a month
Huh, no ****? Is this your first time working with hypotheticals?

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Question for you, for someone who is grossing $6000 a month where is the threshold that taxes are excessive?
Why, I think that would be somewhere right around a completely irrelevant to the conversation answer.
02-26-2014 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
\silverman why am I supposed to care about some degenerate whore who bought a house the can't afford? There is no we /Silverman
You shouldn't. that's my point.

She can afford it, but the ass-raping taxes makes it not worth staying in it.
02-26-2014 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
I can't argue against what you're saying because I don't have numbers in front of me to dispute any of it.
Well, **** Roonil, let me PM you her number, she can fax you her financial information, and then MAYBE there's a chance that you will be able to point out that she really isn't paying that much in taxes and she is really just overstating the fact that she is paying too much in taxes.

And when she says the taxes are so ****ing much...she's just imagining that and it isn't really real.

There's nothing to dispute you ******. THAT'S the ****ing reason she is selling her house, the house is ON the market, because after bills, all the rest goes to taxes, and she can't get ahead.
02-26-2014 , 07:25 PM
BREAKING NEWS: An empty-nester is downsizing.
02-26-2014 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
BREAKING NEWS: An empty-nester is downsizing.
Dude... she lives in a small 2 bedroom town home...it is about as modest as modest gets.

But I'm not supposed to worry about her well being......and I am supposed to worry about ALLLLLLLLLLLLL the poor degenerate and derelict drug addicts, and ALLLLLLLLL the ****** bureaucrats

And I'm a bad person because I think she should be keeping a lot more of her money, rather then it going to idiots?

Last edited by Silver_Man2; 02-26-2014 at 08:32 PM.
02-26-2014 , 09:32 PM
I'm sure she gets her share of the idiot money
02-26-2014 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
I'm sure she gets her share of the idiot money
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