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12-22-2014 , 02:53 PM
DONs will always get a bad image because of the ease to collude for cheaters but still from playing a ton of them I will say their aren't that many dirty fish in the sea.

The biggest problem is of the ones we all suspect to be colluding the network just don't seem to care to get rid of them. No matter what they say the network don't look at this as a top priority. Perhaps they don't have enough resources to spend the time and money on this who knows?

It's just horrible when a guy can constantly open new accounts either on various skins by himself playing on two computers with a vpn service for one, with his buddies, etc. and get away with it.

Cheating/Colluding/Soft playing at small stakes DONs like the $5's and $10's sure must be a tight life.
12-22-2014 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TiftCountyHick
Maybe WPN should exterminate DoNs all together since people colluding them goes back to the caveman era and other SNG formats have a ton of traffic, specifically 9 man sngs. Other formats will succeed to an even further degree if you eliminate DoNs I do believe.
+1

Winning CEO mentioned in one of his videos that they are working on adding the fifty/fifty format to combat DON cheating. I don't think he mentioned a time frame.

He also mentioned that he could do eight-person DONs easily.

(Widespread belief that DONs are havens for cheaters)
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(CEO creates thread with a title that says a safe and secure environment is his number one priority)
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(CEO says he can switch to form of DONs where cheating would have a lesser impact)
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ZERO ACTION
12-22-2014 , 03:32 PM
^^^ - I don't have a problem with the format changing but all that stuff says to me is they don't want to even attempt to police the games as they are.
12-22-2014 , 03:39 PM
I know this has been said hundreds of times but they need to do what stars did awhile back. Get rid of don's and introduce fifty/50's its pretty simple and easy.

Even pokerstars couldn't police the cheating/collusion in DON's so can't even imagine how much of it takes places on US sites with little to no security or support.
12-22-2014 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BeerBottlez
Cheating/Colluding/Soft playing at small stakes DONs like the $5's and $10's sure must be a tight life.
They're 7th and 8th on the SNC for a combined total of ~$300. People are pretty terrible at DONs in general so they're probably up a good amount overall.
12-22-2014 , 05:21 PM
theyl be booted from those spots.. a lot of us high buy in sngs guys didn't play over the weekend seemed

I suggest u guys don't reg the Cons.. come join us in the 9mans.. theres plenty

gl
12-22-2014 , 05:33 PM
Although I don't play dons or much poker atm (school!) it's still pretty tilting to see him get away with it. I attempted to show some chat support guy all the circumstantial evidence to no avail.

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We do have the filters to avoid collusion's and very well trained security team to prevent and avoid this kind of behavior
sweet filter bro.
12-22-2014 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JayDowdle
theyl be booted from those spots.. a lot of us high buy in sngs guys didn't play over the weekend seemed

I suggest u guys don't reg the Cons.. come join us in the 9mans.. theres plenty

gl
big dogs been sleeping...#1 gna get run down
12-22-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BeerBottlez
DONs will always get a bad image because of the ease to collude for cheaters but still from playing a ton of them I will say their aren't that many dirty fish in the sea.

The biggest problem is of the ones we all suspect to be colluding the network just don't seem to care to get rid of them. No matter what they say the network don't look at this as a top priority. Perhaps they don't have enough resources to spend the time and money on this who knows?

It's just horrible when a guy can constantly open new accounts either on various skins by himself playing on two computers with a vpn service for one, with his buddies, etc. and get away with it.

Cheating/Colluding/Soft playing at small stakes DONs like the $5's and $10's sure must be a tight life.
The two accounts I've listed still are pretty bad playes. Even with that being said, it still hurts players going for a high spot on the leader board, as you will be mass tabling and don't have the time to think how to play back at two players teaming you on the bubble. They two colluders are playing 15s and even seen them do a few 20s lately. This just hurts players EV in the games.

-CountryHo
12-22-2014 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TiftCountyHick
The two accounts I've listed still are pretty bad playes. Even with that being said, it still hurts players going for a high spot on the leader board, as you will be mass tabling and don't have the time to think how to play back at two players teaming you on the bubble. They two colluders are playing 15s and even seen them do a few 20s lately. This just hurts players EV in the games.

-CountryHo
goldeneagles is on the ss leaderboard for profit playing his 9/8 style so they're doing something somewhat right
12-22-2014 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr0n3
goldeneagles is on the ss leaderboard for profit playing his 9/8 style so they're doing something somewhat right
Yes, he is very nitty, until he raises/ shoves on his teammate and gets walks all day . That is why the colluding sticks out even more!

I have made a lot of profit from DoNs, but I refuse to play any with these two accounts.

-CountryHo

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12-22-2014 , 06:02 PM
I made a post about WastedPotential and Acaibowl in the Don collusion thread a couple weeks ago. I didn't include their names at the time because I didn't realize they were already known colluders. Here were my suspicions about them.

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Originally Posted by SeeTheMirage
At what point is it worth reporting a suspicion to support? There are two players in the $5 DON's that i've never seen in a game without the other. Both of their sharkscope's are blocked, neither has a city listed in their WPN profile, and they always start/stop at the same time even when games are running frequently. Although I can't check their SS to see how many games they've played together, I noticed they are in the top 60 of the leaderboard with a 1.2 point difference in their scores suggesting they have VERY similar loading patterns. Unfortunately I don't have any hands to post right now because i'm at work but plan to go through my database tonight.

Would you guys consider this suspicious at all or am I over-thinking this?

Edit: Also wanted to add that both of their accounts were created in the last 2 months about 2 weeks apart from each other.
I'm only a micro player but I usually qualify for a min-cash on the leader board. However, I refuse to play a game with these two so it's very frustrating when i'm in the middle of a session and see them registering because then I have to quit. I really hope WPN will take another look at these players.
12-22-2014 , 06:05 PM
Would you say its a waste of time playing these dons then if one plans to play higher stkes only with all this?
12-22-2014 , 06:15 PM
No money at mid+++ stakes. CountryHo solid.
12-22-2014 , 06:25 PM
there is money to be made, u just have to make better decisions than the next guy.

oh and... CHo touches me while I play
12-22-2014 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
Would you say its a waste of time playing these dons then if one plans to play higher stkes only with all this?
play the 9mans with us

gl
12-22-2014 , 06:30 PM
Is there a skype group I can join to improve?
12-22-2014 , 06:31 PM
I played mid stakes on stars without an issue so i would figure the games here aren't that bad then right? Again i dont mind playing midstakes as long as theres no cheaters involved. Stars would have banned any cheaters a long time ago so is there a reason nothing is done about these players then? Curious if anyone plays both stars and wpn sngs.
12-22-2014 , 06:42 PM
the 9mans it would be tough for guys to collude

traffic is really pickin up ... the games are good.. a few regs a game

gl
12-22-2014 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TiftCountyHick
Yes, he is very nitty, until he raises/ shoves on his teammate and gets walks all day . That is why the colluding sticks out even more!

I have made a lot of profit from DoNs, but I refuse to play any with these two accounts.

-CountryHo

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Cyal8rloser, GoldenEagles, Acaibowl, ImaHustlaBaby, WastedPotential, and whatever other names the person(s) have aren't very great but when both get to the bubble and hte guy with less chips goes all in on his friend it's just one less player to get through which is significant on the bubble knowing he is never calling.

They aren't really that great like you said but this edge is tremendous.
12-22-2014 , 07:21 PM
Help me get the plo8 sngs going guys I have tried to get the $5-$10 plo8 DONs and STTs going this week. -FormerStarsPro is my BCP/SNG acc GLA cya there maybe
12-22-2014 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr0n3
goldeneagles is on the ss leaderboard for profit playing his 9/8 style so they're doing something somewhat right
The Hydra with all those names will regularly shove in spots where you'd have to be a genius or an idiot to shove, and I'm not leaning toward genius.
12-23-2014 , 01:38 PM
It really tilts me that there are two 100/200 levels in the regular 9-man's. These would flow much better if the first of these (no ante) was eliminated.
12-23-2014 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrigg14
It really tilts me that there are two 100/200 levels in the regular 9-man's. These would flow much better if the first of these (no ante) was eliminated.
I'd like it better with 100/200 and then 125/250 25 ante.
12-23-2014 , 02:12 PM
So confused by ODs right now.... hahaha

      
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