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Old 05-07-2017, 03:06 AM   #2076
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Re: WPN Multi-Table Tournament discussion thread

What happened to the 9:00 $11 2.5k guarantee last night? It nearly always exceeds the guarantee, I can't imagine it was dropped.
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Old 05-07-2017, 03:25 AM   #2077
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Re: WPN Multi-Table Tournament discussion thread

and the 8pm 11$ 1500 gtd was also removed. lol
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Old 05-08-2017, 03:57 AM   #2078
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Another vote for 90/180 SnG!!!

If buy-in was $10 180 SnG, it is like a $10 MTT Freezeout GTD $1800! Sweet deal!

I understand the traffic might be too low for 180 players...but I would at least try setup one game and see how it turns out.
If that's going to happen I think that some promotion should be behind it so that it gets a fair tryout. I actually keep track of the good tournaments for me to play. I write down when they run, but I'm not looking for new ones every day and I might miss a tryout if it's not promoted.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:40 PM   #2079
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5hr late reg. I know this has been brought up since basically the beginning but I think the site is now at a point where this is just no longer a requirement. I know 6 months ago it definitely was needed and I think it helped build the site because it made bigger guarantees to attract players. Now those players are here and I think the structures can be adjusted to better reach the guarantees in a shorter amount of time.

Currently the 66$ Extreme Tuesday 30k guarantee just hit the 30k mark with 8 levels remaining, meaning the guarantee was reached in 3.5 hours. Yes in the next 1.5 hours the prize pool will grow and that is great but I think there are a few adjustments to the schedule that could help make this tournament and other tournaments reach their guarantees earlier.

By removing some early pointless levels we will cause players to bust a little faster, which in turn means people re-enter earlier.

Currently the Structure for the early levels is the following
10/20
15/30
20/40
25/50
30/60
40/80
50/100/10
60/120/12
75/150/15
80/160/16
100/200/20

By removing the levels in Red we take 36mins off of the tournament and help speed the early game up, and get people to lose their stacks a tad bit quicker.


There are a few of the later levels that can be removed as well. From level 11 to 23 the BB increases by 50 each time. This is sort of crazy and not at all needed anymore. Removing 1/3 of those gets us down to 3hr late reg and I would bet that the guarantee is reached and AVG stack will be larger at end of late reg because we will be busting more players early.
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:47 PM   #2080
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Re: WPN Multi-Table Tournament discussion thread

VERY GOOD POST AND SPOT ON! Hey winning td Id love to hear your thoughts on anything about the schedule and if there are any changes being considered.
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Old 05-10-2017, 10:03 AM   #2081
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5hr late reg. I know this has been brought up since basically the beginning but I think the site is now at a point where this is just no longer a requirement. I know 6 months ago it definitely was needed and I think it helped build the site because it made bigger guarantees to attract players. Now those players are here and I think the structures can be adjusted to better reach the guarantees in a shorter amount of time.

Currently the 66$ Extreme Tuesday 30k guarantee just hit the 30k mark with 8 levels remaining, meaning the guarantee was reached in 3.5 hours. Yes in the next 1.5 hours the prize pool will grow and that is great but I think there are a few adjustments to the schedule that could help make this tournament and other tournaments reach their guarantees earlier.

By removing some early pointless levels we will cause players to bust a little faster, which in turn means people re-enter earlier.

Currently the Structure for the early levels is the following
10/20
15/30
20/40
25/50
30/60
40/80
50/100/10
60/120/12
75/150/15
80/160/16
100/200/20

By removing the levels in Red we take 36mins off of the tournament and help speed the early game up, and get people to lose their stacks a tad bit quicker.


There are a few of the later levels that can be removed as well. From level 11 to 23 the BB increases by 50 each time. This is sort of crazy and not at all needed anymore. Removing 1/3 of those gets us down to 3hr late reg and I would bet that the guarantee is reached and AVG stack will be larger at end of late reg because we will be busting more players early.
Excellent post that needs serious consideration by the TD.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:35 PM   #2082
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Re: WPN Multi-Table Tournament discussion thread

To speak back to the 45/90/180 man conversation. Why not have On Demand SNGs with a guaranteed prize pool that would equate to some variation of 45/90/180 mans. Let it start with 10-20 players and guarantee 45 players of a prize pool. That will boost traffic in those and make them more appealing.

Edit: Example $5 buy-in $200 guaranteed prize pool 18 players to start. $200 is equivalent to 40 players which seems reasonable.

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Old 05-10-2017, 02:39 PM   #2083
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Man stop living in 2009.
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Old 05-10-2017, 04:16 PM   #2084
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I wish I could, but my wife won't let me.
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Old 05-10-2017, 05:59 PM   #2085
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Why not have On Demand SNGs with a guaranteed prize pool

It would be nice I won't lie, but the main problem I see with this is that all on-demands can't pull in a large field during all hours...or during the last half hour or so of the spike in games during happy hours. Many of them would hit the overlay too easy and it wouldn't provide much of a real benefit, and there are others that would have no chance of hitting the GTD no matter what. It's not like a steady daily/weekly mtt that runs at the same time, every time.

Short version, not all on-demands are created equal sadly
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Old 05-10-2017, 07:13 PM   #2086
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I must be missing something. How many times does an OD game hit 45 players? There is the occasional $5 NLHE, but I am not aware of any others and super rare if it ever happens in the Omaha games.
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Old 05-10-2017, 07:24 PM   #2087
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Re: WPN Multi-Table Tournament discussion thread

I just saw a 16.50 plo8 hit 40 players a few nights ago, and there's been plenty of 7's hit 40+

But without a smaller stakes plo8 version that eventually feeds into these, I don't think they'll grow as well as they could.
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Old 05-10-2017, 08:08 PM   #2088
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I must be missing something. How many times does an OD game hit 45 players? There is the occasional $5 NLHE, but I am not aware of any others and super rare if it ever happens in the Omaha games.
OD games don't really hit anywhere close to 45 players as they currently stand. If there was a Guaranteed prize pool of 45 players it might hit that high. Then we will have our 45ish player SNGs that we want. However I don't think WPN wants to risk losing any money.

The only resolution to the situation is MTTs with 1hr or less late registration. That won't happen anytime soon either. Sooooo
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Old 05-10-2017, 08:52 PM   #2089
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A few extra entries is the main reason between playing and not playing them?

If all of those people asking for 45/90 mans actually played some on-demands we might get that high. I still have a hard time believing someone would skip a game they normally play because it only has 30,35,40 entries instead of 45.

You might say that they pay less overall of course, but those extra entries means you're less likely to get that 1st place money anyway. And less entries means it tends to end faster on average, you're stuck there for a lesser amount of time and/or you can get in more games per session.

Edit - Besides all that stuff, the snc points alone from them should be worth it

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Old 05-10-2017, 09:18 PM   #2090
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A few extra entries is the main reason between playing and not playing them?

If all of those people asking for 45/90 mans actually played some on-demands we might get that high. I still have a hard time believing someone would skip a game they normally play because it only has 30,35,40 entries instead of 45.

You might say that they pay less overall of course, but those extra entries means you're less likely to get that 1st place money anyway. And less entries means it tends to end faster on average, you're stuck there for a lesser amount of time and/or you can get in more games per session.

Edit - Besides all that stuff, the snc points alone from them should be worth it

Some of us just don't accept the reality that its 2017 in the USA and not 2006.
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:23 AM   #2091
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Re: WPN Multi-Table Tournament discussion thread

They had the one hour late registration games, the GI60 stuff that was taken down several months back. I'd guess there wasn't much of a demand for them as to their reasoning.

Not to argue against my own wishlist, but with the amount of games far exceeding the GTDs....there really isn't too much of an argument that their strategy isn't working.

One hour games, variants, etc...would be good though.

I identify as it being 2006. The extra 20 pounds was not on my bucket list for a ten year goal. -_-
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Old 05-11-2017, 11:58 AM   #2092
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Not to argue against my own wishlist, but with the amount of games far exceeding the GTDs....there really isn't too much of an argument that their strategy isn't working.

One hour games, variants, etc...would be good though.
I don't think anyone is disputing that whatever WPN is doing is in fact working. It absolutely is working. Maybe selfishness or "world resolves around me" plays a factor of how some of us feel about the 5hr late registration. I just know with my job and family, I can't commit longer than 4-6 hours for a MTT in completion. Priorities are more valuable than a big score

We all wish there was options, but we all know its not feasible so we must work with what we got.
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Old 05-11-2017, 12:17 PM   #2093
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I don't think anyone is disputing that whatever WPN is doing is in fact working. It absolutely is working. Maybe selfishness or "world resolves around me" plays a factor of how some of us feel about the 5hr late registration. I just know with my job and family, I can't commit longer than 4-6 hours for a MTT in completion. Priorities are more valuable than a big score

We all wish there was options, but we all know its not feasible so we must work with what we got.
What they are doing is working, but the difference in schedule during the OSS/MOSS/BOSS versus now when it's normal is massive and pretty easy to spot. If they are going over the GTD on so many tournies they could bump up the GTD or offer a bigger variety....something. The MTT slate feels pretty empty during the week now that OSS is over, especially when most are 3/5 hr late reg which means playing anything that starts after 3:00 p.m. means don't bother because FT'ing it will mean playing til 3:00 a.m. and people have to be up for work early.

This is another big reason for some more Turbo or 1 hr/no late reg stuff, so that MTT's can be played and not have to run late into the next morning. This is also why I was trying to push for 45 man MTT SnG's, so there would be options.
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:36 AM   #2094
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I'm curious, why are there not more turbos on the late night schedule? There is a random $20+1 $5k hyper turbo that smashes the guarantee every night, and then almost no other turbos on the late night schedule. Ignition has a really good late night turbo schedule that does extremely well.

Hopefully this gets addressed because it's a massive hole in the schedule.
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Old 05-13-2017, 12:23 PM   #2095
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I'm curious, why are there not more turbos on the late night schedule? There is a random $20+1 $5k hyper turbo that smashes the guarantee every night, and then almost no other turbos on the late night schedule. Ignition has a really good late night turbo schedule that does extremely well.

Hopefully this gets addressed because it's a massive hole in the schedule.
If WPN wanrs to double the rake they get from me, more turbos in the evening is the best way to do so lol
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Old 05-13-2017, 08:15 PM   #2096
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If WPN wanrs to double the rake they get from me, more turbos in the evening is the best way to do so lol
lol, definitely this.
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Old 05-13-2017, 10:01 PM   #2097
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Heaps of mtts off the saturday schedule bring em back
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Old 05-14-2017, 08:44 PM   #2098
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5hr late reg. I know this has been brought up since basically the beginning but I think the site is now at a point where this is just no longer a requirement. I know 6 months ago it definitely was needed and I think it helped build the site because it made bigger guarantees to attract players. Now those players are here and I think the structures can be adjusted to better reach the guarantees in a shorter amount of time.

Currently the 66$ Extreme Tuesday 30k guarantee just hit the 30k mark with 8 levels remaining, meaning the guarantee was reached in 3.5 hours. Yes in the next 1.5 hours the prize pool will grow and that is great but I think there are a few adjustments to the schedule that could help make this tournament and other tournaments reach their guarantees earlier.

By removing some early pointless levels we will cause players to bust a little faster, which in turn means people re-enter earlier.

Currently the Structure for the early levels is the following
10/20
15/30
20/40
25/50
30/60
40/80
50/100/10
60/120/12
75/150/15
80/160/16
100/200/20

By removing the levels in Red we take 36mins off of the tournament and help speed the early game up, and get people to lose their stacks a tad bit quicker.


There are a few of the later levels that can be removed as well. From level 11 to 23 the BB increases by 50 each time. This is sort of crazy and not at all needed anymore. Removing 1/3 of those gets us down to 3hr late reg and I would bet that the guarantee is reached and AVG stack will be larger at end of late reg because we will be busting more players early.
Make this happen please! Good post
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5hr late reg. I know this has been brought up since basically the beginning but I think the site is now at a point where this is just no longer a requirement. I know 6 months ago it definitely was needed and I think it helped build the site because it made bigger guarantees to attract players. Now those players are here and I think the structures can be adjusted to better reach the guarantees in a shorter amount of time.

Currently the 66$ Extreme Tuesday 30k guarantee just hit the 30k mark with 8 levels remaining, meaning the guarantee was reached in 3.5 hours. Yes in the next 1.5 hours the prize pool will grow and that is great but I think there are a few adjustments to the schedule that could help make this tournament and other tournaments reach their guarantees earlier.

By removing some early pointless levels we will cause players to bust a little faster, which in turn means people re-enter earlier.

Currently the Structure for the early levels is the following
10/20
15/30
20/40
25/50
30/60
40/80
50/100/10
60/120/12
75/150/15
80/160/16
100/200/20

By removing the levels in Red we take 36mins off of the tournament and help speed the early game up, and get people to lose their stacks a tad bit quicker.


There are a few of the later levels that can be removed as well. From level 11 to 23 the BB increases by 50 each time. This is sort of crazy and not at all needed anymore. Removing 1/3 of those gets us down to 3hr late reg and I would bet that the guarantee is reached and AVG stack will be larger at end of late reg because we will be busting more players early.
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Old 05-20-2017, 05:37 AM   #2100
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Re: WPN Multi-Table Tournament discussion thread

I have many ideas, lets discuss a few to start:

Why are there not satellites to bigger events throughout the week? I think that there should be daily sats to the $215/150k, and also higher BI events throughout the week; ie the Tuesday $215/40k, the Thurs $320 KO and the Sat $320/7.5k plo. Satellites are good for the games, no?

I know PKOs have been addressed, but WPN/TD seemingly have shown the format no love. Give the people what they want? Stars also has phase tournaments... that sounds like an exciting format!

I know that WPN is continuing to grow and that TD has done a pretty good job, but there is always room for improvement. I am not trying to be overly critical, but the DON for cash-games and the new/limited avatar options do not seem like a good allocation of time/resources. I do think that the online observer function on ACR is very smart, and will be a very big hit. Also, when is the mobile client coming? ( I know that mobile players can't use a hud, blah blah blah... it's just an option, nobody would be forcing them to play on their phone; that argument makes no sense imo)

In short, WPN is making some big strides towards becoming one of the best poker sites out there, not just for Americans ( it clearly already is way the best option) but for players worldwide. Think BIG WPN
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