I wish Dan would pop into this thread. There is only one plo tourney which is the 7dollar plo hi lo. Letting people rebuy with 5 big blinds completely ruins the only plo tournament on site.

Please change at least this tourney to a one hour late reg. As lots of people are asking for late registration changes at least add some tourneys with a one hour late reg or pop into the thread and give us an opinion . Ty

Which tournaments let you reg with 5 BB except turbos and satellites?

What happened to the plo8 tourney? Didn't run at 7:30 ?

I'm new to WPN through Betcoin, and thinking I might spend some time grinding satellites if that's practical. But I don't really want to set myself up to play ten-hour tournaments very often. Can I unregister from tournaments I've satellited into and end up with money in my account in some form? What happens on WPN if you win multiple entries?

As soon as you win your entry you will be registered into the target tournament and will not be able to unregister, so that entry cannot be converted to cash. If you win more than one entry you will be given tournament dollars that can be used in MTTs.

Can we get like a $10 2k gtd and maybe a $5 1k gtd starting at 7 and/or 8pm? There are 0 tourny's for me to play right now. Not Big 10's, startem with 3k chips so they don't last too long.

Can someone explain why a site would do 3 hour extended registration on a $10 tournament with a 2k guarantee so a tournament like this would take who knows how long?

Register for the tournament, play the satellite, get tourney bucks, un-register from the tournament.

Welcome to WPN, most everything takes 7 hours +. The cool thing to do is have 250 person tournaments take as long as tournaments with 1K people.

Maybe even halve the gtd's and make it only 1hr late reg? I would play both tourny's every night. As it is there's really no tourny's for me to play that start after 6pm.

Wpn doesn't care about players or running good tournaments as long as they get their fees. 50 people and more rebuying every tournament adds up when it comes to fees why should winning care if min payouts are less then the buyin of a tournament? Would be losing bucket loads of fees if cut back to a reasonable one hour late reg.

This is obviously the reason why wpn will continue not listening to players and turning a deaf ear, their fees.

ty, I was just wondering about this the other day, if it would work. Haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Not having a direct unregister/T$ system is very short sighted imo. There are a number of times I would have joined a satellite that was popping off if I could get T$ to use later, but didn't because I wasn't available to play the target event and WPN won't let me unreg.

Now i'll admit they take ages to incorporate changes that benefit their players, the statement you made is just pure ignorance. WPN does so much to give back to their players in the form of promotions its not even debatable. The site you should be making that statement about is bovada, they are raking the hell out of their whole player base and promotions are trash (unless you consider 1-2% rakeback promotions then ok whatever).

playing big 10 500 guar 1k guar and 2k guar blinds are 200 400 with 2 levels of rebuys left. Non turbos 20 to 30 people rebuy at last level and min payouts of not even full buyins dilute the pools give me more options then all 3 hour late regs . Why can tournaments that are freezouts or 1 hour late reg not be added other then the sites greed for the addon fees?

+1.

Huge wall of post upcoming. TL: DR - it's all basically examples of how WPN is responsive to customers, far more so than Bovada, and that Zecko needs to chill out making these claims, which I suspect is because he doesn't like their late reg policy and hasn't been directly responded to by WPN.


Zecko, you're not new to the 2+2, but you seem to be relatively new to the network. I deposited just under a year ago, and there have been consistent, if slow, changes. WPN is cautious in making changes because, presumably because they don't want to "shock" their player base.

It's fine that you post suggestions about the changes you want. But making comments like that, that WPN doesn't care about its' customers because you don't like their late registration period is absurd. And when you think about it, increasing their intake of fees is generally indicative that, you know, people are willing to pay the fees to play those tournaments.

In fact, WPN is a pretty responsive network. Do you know how many times Bodog_Ice has responded to me, and "passed the suggestion on?" Pretty much every post I make. Do you know many times any of those changes were implemented? Exactly zero.

Out of every suggestion I made here, WTD didn't respond to all of them, though he did most. But he actually implemented some of the ideas that I suggested, if he thought they'd work. It's cool because we have a hands on tournament director here. Does he respond to everything? No. That doesn't mean he's not reading this and thinking about changes to make.

As an example, I suggested running AIOF tournaments that paid out 2 seats rather than one. He implemented it for a week or two, but then changed it - I guess that it reduced traffic. Either way my point is he saw an idea I had that he liked and implemented it directly and actually I think it only took a day or two. That't not indicative of a company that doesn't care about it's customers. That's indicative of a company that's willing to try out new suggestions from customers.

The fact that they aren't changing late registration isn't because they "don't care about their customers," it's because they don't have the player pools to do so and still offer good GTD tournaments. I am almost 100% sure that if their traffic tripled next week, they'd get rid of 3 hour late registration in an instant.

But WPN is realistic. They aren't going to make drastic changes all of the time, rather, they're making slow changes that they think will be the best to improve traffic.



Everybody has their own preferences, but you should know that being the loudest here doesn't make you're preferrences good business decisions for WPN. You especially lose credibility because you're saying things that just aren't true. There are not, as far as I can tell, many tournaments that allow you to register with 5bb outside of satellites and I think some turbos (The ONLY one I can think of, and I'm not sure, is the2.5K GTD on Sunday nights. Yet you've said it multiple times like it's the norm on WPN.

The thing is that virtually everyone agrees with you that there should be more options than 3 hour late registration. I LOVE 3 hour late registration on certain tournaments. But if the 2K GTD was 3 hour instead of 2 hour I'd never play. See what I mean?

It's like you're pushing a smear campaign, and making outlandish claims about WPN because you don't want them to have 3 hour late registration and are annoyed that nobody is addressing it. Funny thing is, even if they don't make the change, of course they're discussing it. When I first started here, WPN was significantly different. They've made lots of positive changes, but you've got to be patient. You can't expect them to cater to your preferences first, or even at all sometimes. Trust me, I tried to get them to change their payouts to less of the field. In that case, I was told that it wouldn't happen. Fine, then, I'm not going to claim that they don't care about their customers. Turns out what I wanted isn't the same as what they felt was best.


I don't like it, but I'm not going to claim they don't care about their customers, because FWIW, WPN has done a few things to keep my business over time. That's why I stick around. Not because they have the most liquidity or they have the biggest tournaments or whatever, because they don't, but because they are the MOST responsive to players.

That doesn't mean they implement everything for everyone. That doesn't mean they're always here answering questions (that are more like attacks than suggestions, IMO) but because they are constantly working to improve slowly. Just as one last example of this, they changed the 10K to 12.5K for a while and just ate up the overlays. After a while, when they realized it didn't help as much as they wanted it to, rather than immediately take it back down, they lowered rake. From 25+2.5, down to 28+2. Eventually they did have to move it down to 10K again, but they tried everything else first, and probably lost 1000s running that touranment in the last few months.


Not to mention the rakeback, the leaderboards, etc. Clearly WPN cares a lot about it's existing cusomers and it trying to get new players out there. If you don't think that's true, then I don't know what to tell you.




There's a huge difference between a poker room that has structures you don't like and isn't currently talking publicly about any changes and a company that doesn't care about its' customers. Trust me, Bovada responds publicly far more often than WPN. It also implements those changes significantly less often.

This is where some poker rooms get it wrong. WPN's interests are really aligned with player interests. If they run the types of tournaments players want to play, their collection of fees will actually increase.

This is one point I wanted to make but forgot in that huge wall of text.

WPN's interests are inherently the same as poker players. They're doing what they think is best to attract the most players they can. IMO, if they had a schedule more similar to Bovada's, traffic would decrease, because they players who deposit on the two sites are just so different.

Tons of people are on Bovada for Sports betting and random other casino gaming. I doubt that's true for WPN, and I'm pretty sure just a minority are here for Sportsbook. Most are here for poker, so slower structures should fare better here than they would on Bovada. I don't have stats to back that up, obviously, but I'm guessing that's why WPN keeps 15 minute levels.

I know if they get rid of great structure in tournaments, I'm outta here. Luckily, they have good structure

Players thru out the thread asked for more options then 3 hour late regs. Letting people buyin with 10 big blinds and less after 3 hours plus is not good structure . Having no other option but to play six hours for a less then a full buyin payout is dumb.

^^^^

It's been discussed to death... you've posted it in like 10 times now. It's not going to change right away, It's not like they can just change the schedule rapidly. It'd be too chaotic.

Also your post didn't even respond to mine, you just quoted me and then responded about something else. Clearly you're not even reading other people's replies, so whatever.

seems like you just keep repeating what you have written here in April . Nothing has been done since then with regard to giving players anything other then 3 hour late reg prob a waste of time to request but yet you post the same dunning responses over and over again. Yes I understand you are a huge fan of the 3 hour late registration and its awesome structure.

I disagree with you that letting people register 3hours plus and increasing min cash payouts along with allowing people to register with less then 10 big blinds is not a well structured tournaments. Giving people no other options except this tournament format isn't what the players in this thread want and I have been reading this thread since it opened and have not seen the tournament director address this issue in all those months. True can't happen overnight but won't happen at all if not addressed.

Fair enough, as I said they should address it somehow, even if it's to say something vague like "we're looking at it" or "nope, we're not changing it."

There's kind of a chicken and the egg scenario going on here, though, where they're keeping traffic small by catering to a very limited selection of players who happen to be able to spend many hours playing a tournament. I'm an MTT fish, and I might play one every once in a while and give you guys money because dabbling is fun and I like to think about poker spots I'm not used to. But as much as I'm willing to blow off a hundred bucks in an MTT every once in a while, blowing off seven or eight consecutive hours is another story. And I don't even have a regular day job to worry about; I can't imagine how intimidating that is for those who do.

The great thing about online poker tournaments has always been the ability to fire up another one when you bust if you want to keep playing, and to more or less match your session times with the time you have available. This is part of why hypers have become so popular everywhere else. Having all these gigantic slow structure tournaments as the primary option really takes that away.

I don't know that they'd necessarily get more action if they changed to a mix of normals and turbos with no late reg, but I suspect that all you guys who are playing eight hours now would just play twice as many, and they'd become a lot more appealing to the people who want to play half as long.

For sure, I do think they should make roughly half the non turbo tournaments have 12 minute levels, and 3K starting chips. Like I said, I like long structure, but it's become apparent that a lot of people avoid very long tournaments. The major tournaments with 30+ buy ins shouldn't be shortened, IMO.

I think most people who are buying at those stakes want to play slow tournaments. FWIW, I also think WPN should add a 69+6 t the Turbo10 to start somewhere between 9-10, since it's become standard to have something like that. They have the 40+4, but I think a 69+6 would perform better if they ran satellites during the day.




Completely unrelated, I just noticed your avatar and thought of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJm6nDnR2SE

I found this guy hilarious!

Well, presumably if they got rid of late registration they could have slow structured tournaments that didn't last all day.

What an odd video. I'm taking a children's book illustration course right now and I can't stop thinking about how to storyboard it.

I know I dont post a lot so forgive any formalities I may miss but, from someone who has a day job, I kind of have the same thought. The micro and low stakes night MTTs that have 3 hr late reg have drove me away from playing them... I played 3 and shipped 1, and after shipping the last one I played I stopped playing them because it was about 5 or 6 am by the time I was done (im a night owl but dang!)... Full Tilt and Stars had some late night micro MTTs and had 1k-2k players and it lasted about 3-4 hrs not 6-7 hrs...

my point being is during peak time I understand the long late reg to meet the GTDs but maybe start playing with the late night MTTs to see how a new structure will affect everything... I know we cant go back to those FT, PS days and heck even have the same structures as other us sites but a shorter late night tourney = more afternoon and evening players hanging around to play those tourneys IMO
or just turn them to turbos