That doesn't solve the problem above poster was alluding to. He has an issue with the spammers, not necessarily the railbirds. By turning off obs chat, the spammers are omitted, as are the railbirds. Therefore, your solution is weak, and not really a solution at all.

Spammers and railbirds are observers. Solution is solid.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Mostly that post was a set up to take a shot at myself anyway.

How long did the tourney run for? Was it really 16 hours? **** that.

It started at 3 PM EST and I made this thread immediately when the chop happened, so yeah, about 15-16 hours. The final 5 were all pretty good players so it took awhile and then HU went on for like an hour or more.

They should consider cutting out a few levels people burn out after 10-12 hours.

The fact is with 5 hour late reg they're not going to cut out any of the pointless early blind levels so at the end of the day we're stuck with a 14 hour + tourney. I suggested eliminating a number of the redundant middle levels and adding some in late play that would have resulted in a better structure while shaving 30-45 minutes of play. WPN rep said he would talk to the TD about it but nothing got done. Maybe for the next event they'll get around to doing it.

[QUOTE=trade2win;47749990 WPN rep said he would talk to the TD about it but nothing got done. [/QUOTE]

I did told him about suggestions of adding levels at the end and eliminate some others, at the end of the day is not up to me to make the changes, but i want you to know that it was discuss... If we do some changes we will let you guys know for sure.

You're really going to post ITT when no one has been here to address the issues regarding the thread topic? All we got was one lol post from the TD immediately after it happened. Pretending there wasn't issues doesn't make them go away...... It'd be nice to have confidence that a $540 tournament will be ran correctly going forward.

TY for at least bringing it up WPN Rep I think we all want the site to grow and succeed, it would have been nice if the TD addressed the suggestion or gave his thoughts on why he wanted to keep the current structure.

Back to the topic in this thread if it went down as talkinabout said its really bad. How can you chop up the pool before you allow players to discuss the deal? Nothing can be done now but it would be great if you can address what you will do to make sure it doesn't happen moving forward.

Just to clarify. I wrote a message to the table with what they wanted and 20k being left aside.

I said type agree in chat box. They both did so then i resumed the tournament and wrote what they were playing for.

Going forward with deals as i dont have a moderator chat. I will get all players involved in a live support chat and discuss privately. Also i cannot change the payouts in the lobby so it will always pay out accordingly then i will manually adjust monies.

I hope this has cleared it up. Once both players type agreed there wasnt much more to discuss.

I get more confused at what actually went down with every post in this thread.

I did not type 'agree' or have any formal discussions about the deal once the clock was paused.

I typed 'agree' while it was running and then 1 minute later the clock was stopped, we waited around, asking each other whats going on ?, I assume we are waiting for a rep to come into chat so we can discuss/clarify whats happening. A pop up appears telling us its been split and then the mtt re starts.

I assume you guys were watching the chat and knew we wanted 50/50, but come on, that was 4 hands ago. surely looking back you realize that we should have paused the clock to talk numbers, and not just have you auto fix the deal, theres 300k in play and it should be the players who have the final say to confirm.

The good news is that this can easily be fixed and nothing terrible happened. What would you have done if raisy typed 'agree to chop' in chat, then in in the 60 seconds waiting for you to pause the mtt, he either knocks me out or I double him up? Would the 50/50 split still stand ?

It still stood even though I gained 5% in chips, would it be different if he gained all the chips ?

I was watching the chat yes and i suspended whilst tournament was in break.

I wont lie because it was a real pain me having to keep typing messages to the table and then sending whilst you guys were talking. I wanted to send messages to the chat box, which i did and i would guess if you had observer chat turned on you would miss my message because its also in black. This is the reason i sent messages to the table.

I can see how it got confusing but i just had player chat turned on and could see what you guys said and agreed to. I mean i can now only apologise for the confusion and as i mentioned going forward i will get all players who want to discuss in a live chat session and do it that way.

When i saw that you both agreed i just went with that so maybe i was wrong to do that but it was clear that is what you agreed.

Again apologies for the confusion.

The ideal solution imo includes:

-Pausing the tournament as soon as players agree to discuss a deal (easy enough to do)

-Block all observer chat at the final table (I would think easy but lol programming?)

This event was weird because the players started to discuss a deal without first asking for the tourney to be paused. TALKING first asks for this right at the end of the discussion but then Ra1sy quickly agrees to the chop and TALKING also agrees. There was tons of inane observer chat, which may or may not have been complicating the matters for the players as well. If I had been a mod I would have chat banned several accounts, but really all this is avoided by simply blocking observer chat at the client level for the final table. Only allow the players and host(s) to chat.

Another super cool feature to have (again lolprogramaments?) is the pause tourney to discuss a deal checkbox option like stars has, then it's in control of the players at all times and it's also clear when all players want to talk deal and when someone doesn't.

There was certainly a lot of confusion going on all around here but I really think had there been no observer chat it would have been much clearer and less confusing for both the players and the host.

Speaking of a feature to discuss a deal, what happened to that being done by Feb? It's now August.

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more excuses??

This looks really bad watching it on killingbird stream. Looks like they both wanted the even chop but seems that nobody agreed cuz the chat goes crazy bout nobody type agree to any deal.
Having the pop up like wpn did is pretty messed up. They only stay up for short time. What if someone was multi tabling like everyone on the site does.

They need an account that looks and acts like support in the chat box not one that looks like an observer. Or have the message stay on screen until some one checks yes or no to the deal. Why the mtt wasn't paused weird.

Give WPN credit for getting a big tourney in the U.S. In the first place and allow them to learn from their mistakes. You people b*t*h about absolutely everything

WPN ****s up a $100K negotiation, no one should care. You can't be serious...

So don't play on the site. Which won't be happening with 9/10 players whining constantly here. Not saying what happened wasn't messed up. But either let them learn from the errors and move on like the ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO CHOPPED HAVE....or move on.

Seriously, the damn tournament director took the time to come on this thread, man up and admit things went wrong. What the hell else do you want? You guys are going to play anyway, so stop the feminine crying and move on

I play on bovada. Just felt I had to comment. I will be playing the freerollin series. Good Luck

He also tried bull****ting his way through it until the player called him out.... Real professional. I only responded to you because it's the 2nd time you said "lol who cares, be happy!!!"

I'm very happy they did so well with the million. I've been supporting this site since 2012. I refer my friends here. But when they **** up a deal for $100K and try to act like it never happened.... they need called out. When they feed us bs about a chop feature and Mac client that THEY said would be donw 6 months ago... they need called out.

Just because they are 1 of 2 decent poker sites in America doesn't mean they get a free pass.

Read my post of the chat sans railbird nonsense. They definitely both agreed. TALKINGBOOT even admitted he agreed which is why he let it go, but his issue is that the tourney wasn't paused during this process, so like 4 more hands happened between the time they agreed, and the time the deal was executed. Equities change in 4 hands. His chip stack increased 5% and he felt he should get a bit more at that point. Meh. I'm a believer that once you both agree, the deal is done. The question TALKING raises is a valid one though, what happens if they shove and he busts in those 4 hands, would he still get the 50/50 chop? My answer would be he absolutely should, but it's not at all clear that would have been the case and it illustrates well the need to have the play suspended while a deal is being discussed and executed. Like Kevin said, give them a chance to learn from their mistakes... Not pausing the tournament as soon as deal discussions started happening was a mistake, hopefully they'll err on the side of caution and pause it quickly next time. Although the players didn't ask for it to be paused right away, do it anyway. Ra1sy says let's talk, and TALKING makes an offer... boom, pause. Then the worst that can happen is someone says no let's play on and you restart.

Yeah but the chat was filled with nonsense. People giving advice, do this deal, don't do that, ******ed comments, spam flooding... the usual fare for a big FT and it makes following what's actually happening between the actual players more difficult.

Given the wildly out of control chat box, the pop up was the best option I guess. It's definitely weird as most online players are used to all communication happening in the chat box for deals. lol @ multitabling. I suspect that 99.9% of players who had played an online tournament for 16 hours and were heads up for 90K now would be 1 tabling at that point.

Agreed. Block observer chat and get the tournament paused and everything goes smoothly and clearly.