December 14th, marry Christmas!

I agree.

BCP's client is terrible. Their SNG window rarely ever refreshes, even after you close out of it and open it back up. Overall, the client is complete ****, and the traffic sucks. all of the DoN's are killing the SNG game. Everyone wants to play DoN's, and nobody ever wants to play full ring or 6 max SnG's.

The lobbies are awful, but overall the software has actually gotten much better lately. I would really like to see more filtering options available for both lobbies.

The refresh rate is a huge deal is a huge deal and needs fixed.

Not sure if this has been addressed in this thread yet (it probably has, if so, apologies), but the lack of a macintosh client is a total killer for the wpn network--massive market demographic that is left completely outside of the reach of your business. note how ultimate poker is doing in NJ (also Windows-only)...lol. not the only reason it has all but failed, but certainly one of them.

and the idea of running Parallels or some similar software is laughable. if that's the length I need to go to, I'll just play on bovada/merge. introducing a mac client is not hard, and with the business you'd gain, i'm quite confused as to why it hasn't been done yet. oh well.

Probably because Mac sux any any software put out by poker sites always has a ton of problems....Windows for life!

Anyone with knowledge of the online sports betting industry will tell you the BetCris family of books is much bigger than Bovada.

Yeah, it's pretty funny when people say that. About as funny as when they say the Asian market is why their poker room is so big LOL.

Or when some people say that the Asian market isn't why the poker room is so big. LOL

Or when some people say that it is the Asian market that is preying on the fishie US market. LOL

When you can provide any sort of significant reasoning that 2 countries in Asia have anything to do with how high their traffic is during North American hours let me know.

We've been through this already. It is getting really tiresome that you constantly push your opinions in these forums as facts and that you always have to have the last word. And then even after giving you the last word, as we all must do, you dredge up the same topics over and over again because of some obsessive control-freak part of you tht can't rest until everyone thinks the same as you.

You have a naive view of the socio-economic reality in China and seem to think that the people of China live some kind of Leave it to Beaver 9 to 5 existence when the fact of the matter is that as many Chinese players are at work during the Chinese peak hours as do in fact work 9 to 5. But you've grabbed on to some tiny factoid that you made up in your own mind to convince yourself that your opinion is once more a fact.

None of us have the stats on the Bovada vs. Bodog player pools. Please stop pretending that you do.

Says the guy who felt compelled to come argue about it because I said it was funny that people think that lmao.

Again, when you can provide some sort of logical reasoning as to why Asia has such a huge impact on a site that peaks during North American times let me know. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to log into the client and play during both peak times and realize one has ****ty traffic and the other has amazing traffic. Play from 5 AM- 12 PM ET tomorrow and let me know how great the traffic is.

I guess over in China most people don't work in the day time though, it all makes sense now. Back to the Merge thread, you fit in there.

Considering that I'm the one who argued that assertion with you earlier in this thread it's pretty clear that your statement was just a continuation of that argument. But go ahead and play innocent.

As for the rest of your post, you just seem to be incapable of listening. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Hope you can find a thread that you fit in.

Actually, it isn't clear because that's a pretty common thing to say on the forums. I never even considered you when I said that, it was a general statement. Hopefully your ego is ok after hearing that.

I don't listen because you don't make a point at anytime you ramble on about something that no one has any data to back up.

My argument comes from spending hundreds (thousands at this point?) of hours in the lobbies of Bovada at both times of the day. Unless I'm playing MTTs (which is 1-2 days a week) I spend every hour I'm on my computer with the Bovada lobby open scanning the tables from .50-1 NL/PLO to 5-10 NL/PLO. Oddly enough the games during off peak North American hours (which are peak Asian hours) are awful for both volume and quality. The majority of people in the world work during the day time, that's when business happens. Common sense would say that peak hours for Asia are the same as peak hours for Americans.

Instead of going along with the consensus of 2+2 why don't you go sit the lobbies at both times of the day and form your own opinion. All you are doing is pulling a theory out of your ass at this point. You provide nothing to support your argument ever yet you go on and on about it.

Bovada crushes because they offer the best product, not that hard to figure out. They serve THREE countries (recently stopped serving Vietnam for poker) and are blowing away sites serving most of the world. You don't think that's because they do a fantastic job of providing poker for the biggest poker market in the world? Hmm...

Yeah, what a superior product. Terrible software(not to mention ugly software), anonymous tables (which most players hate), almost no promotions (which is always a big draw). The only real draw to Bovada is that it currently has a large player pool. If you want to believe that the player pool is large because it's the "best product" who am I to pull you out of your fantasy world?

Considering that you are the one pulling theories out of your ass with absolutely nothing to back them, I find your post laughable. I'm simply criticizing you for making your unsupported and simplistic declarations, not promoting any theories of my own. "Common sense dictates" is what you call proof. You seem to be completly ignorant of the fact that China is a struggling industrial country where a huge number of its workers do in fact work in the evenings or through the night and where regular business hours often extend into the evening.

Your theories hinge entirely on guesswork. If you were to simply present your take on it as something for others to consider that would be one thing. But what you do is present your assumptions as indisputable fact with which you reeadily ridicule others who disagree with you.

You've written plenty of posts trashing WPN. And you've written plenty of fanboy Bovada posts. This is all just more of the same.

Posting walls of text doesn't mean you made a point. (you've still failed to provide any sort of reasoning backing up your claims)

And yes, they offer a far superior product, even with their awful software. Great cash games, real tournaments, great customer service, very easy to deposit, withdrawals for large amounts in days. Gosh, Bovada is the worst.

[QUOTE=SantaCruz;44434796]anonymous tables (which most players hate)/QUOTE]

I respectfully disagree with this statement. I know more people that love the fact that it is anon then people who hate it(which is evident by the player pool)

Bovada has dedicated itself to the recreational player. This is the reason it thrives and is the reason why no other US friendly site will ever catch it. This is also the reason most "pros" do not like it.

A lot of the players playing the larger stakes seem to love the anonymous tables because they can actually get action and it makes the games way better. The anonymous tables are also very popular on the other sites that offer them. Cruz doesn't like them though, so obviously no one else does.

I rather have screen names, but until a site makes it impossible to track players this is the best option. Fish don't like being hunted and I'm all for whatever the fish like.

The folks I talk to have a very different opinion of the anonymous tables than you do. And I do talk to a lot of rec players. They dislike it not only because it makes the tables less friendly and fun but also because the anonymous tables opens the games up to collusion and bots.

That the site has a large player pool because of the anonymous tables is nothing but an assumption. It's very questionable that Bovada would still have a large player pool if Bodog wasn't marketing its side of the business so heavily. In online poker, business begets business. The drop in the player pool could easily have a snowball effect if Bodog were to have its inexperienced players leave the network.

No its not.

The anon tables are only one of the MANY things bovada does to cater to recs.

Name a few.

The recreational player model wasn't created to cater to the recs. It was created to make it harder for anyone to win on their network. The network has been very open about that. They don't want net withdrawing players playing on their site. They want players who will play just for the fun of playing poker. When they opened to the Asian market they clearly stated that that market was a good fit for their business model because those players were used to playing for fun rather than profit.

So yes they do cater to the rec players in the sense that they are trying to create an environment were the rec players lose more slowly but their model still dictates that they lose; the recs just get more playing hours for their money.

I just deposited on there the otherday. put 2k on trying to run it up.... worst **** games i've ever seen in my entire life. bunch of rake nits playing 18/6 I will be cashing out tomorrow.. sucks being a u.s player

mac support for one.

Great job of eliminating half of computer users WPN

I can comment on this from experience. I just started playing poker again since black friday. The only two options I thought I really had that had traffic were Carbon and Bovada. I had no idea whatsoever about BlackChipPoker. I deposited on Carbon to quickly realize they had gotten rid of their rewards and rakeback so I quickly said **** that place. Moved to Bovada unfortunately before I found a thread on here talking about blackchip.

It is that people have no clue about WPN. If they did I am sure they would choose WPN in a heartbeat over the others. I mean WPN is basically a clone of pokerstars with the great Vip system they have. Plus the cashgame traffic makes Carbon and Bovada look sick. I'm hooked and Blackchip and it is this donk's new home for now.


The only complaint I have for now is that I wish I could custom filter the lobbies. And holy **** there is 16/12 regs saturating every game from .01/.02 all the way up to 5/10 lol.



TLDR The word needs to get out more. Even here on 2p2 it is hard to find out about WPN

I think youre sick.