Sorry Winning_TD he has a valid point and u only half answered his question. He did not ask for result of your investigation. Given what you did say, that cheaters can't be removed, and that they are not paid. The question is valid is everyone below them bumped up when the banned players are not rewarded money?

OP is claiming to have been in this situation and not been bumped. Therefore another fair question is what happened to the funds if everyone on leader board below them was not bumped?

He is trying to provoke an answer, but he is asking a fair question from personal observation and WPN does not seem to want to go on record with a direct answer to his question. Normally even when your responses are not popular with players I will admit you have valid business reasons and side with you. In this situation I can understand why you can't answer the simple question.

When cheaters are discovered and banned while on the leader board, are there funds still completely paid out the the players? Or are they kept by WPN? And if they are paid out to the players how is it done?

Thank you.

Based on response and the fact that castle didn't receive compensation or pay bump when cheaters where caught im guessing it goes in wpns coffers.

The fact that a person can ask a completely fair question regarding a company's policies or procedures and not get a clear reply shows a complete lack of respect for the customers. What I am asking is no different than asking what the policy is if there are connection issues. By not answering the question it makes it appear as if they have something to hide, I am not saying that is the case just that it appears that way. Personally I would have much more respect for them if they gave an answer I didn't like rather that treating me like I am an idiot and will just let it go.

I really don't understand what the problem is here. People competing to be on the sit n crush leaderboard have put in time and money and have the right to know that efforts wil not be compromised and that the network will protect them. Please can some rep answer this question.

Why will nobody from WPN answer this question? As players on the site we have a right to know what your policy is if we ever find ourselves in this situation. By not giving an answer it makes it look like you have something to hide, much like the way the Lock poker rep used to approach similar questions. Even if the policy is not a popular one everyone still should know what it is do you not agree?

Bumping

So all the hate boils down to this? WPN took action, amirite? Did you move up leaderboard if they were not there? Do you think cheaters money should have been dispersed?

In any end, the lengths you have gone to bash the site and personally bash people here for such a small grievance is mind-boggling. I don't know what more you can get out of what you've been told. If you feel they owe you money for a leaderboard and you can prove it then sure, cry away. How this transforms into a lack of security and a "sweep it under the rug" apporaoch everyone here is so fond of saying is beyond me..

Let's change your focus... Let say in some dream world you actually are carrying $10,000 in your pocket and driving to the casino. Let's say this casino is close and within driving distance, but also crosses state lines.. As you're pulling off the highway, a cop pulls you over... Without you committing a crime, he can legally take that money from you. He can say it's for purchasing drugs and that no person needs that much cash. Civil forfeiture. Go be mad about that.

idk, I honestly don't know what to tell these entitled people.

why do you feel the need to tell them anything? (other than the fact that you are trying to be a white knight for WPN waaaaaay too hard)

Yes I fact I would have moved up the leaderboard and yes I can prove it. But I bumped this thread to show how WPN deals with issues in a manner that shows complete lack of respect for its customers. All I wanted was clarification on a policy and still have yet to get an answer. Why do you think that is?

It is 100% because you're being an entitled ****head about it. And you always seem to wait for someone to ask you for proof before saying you even have any. And still failing to ever post it. I find it weird you want to know the inner workings and dealings of WPN so much. Your attitude is the entire reason you don't get a response.

By now you'll never hear from them because your business isn't worth the headache. You're a scorned losing player, who had a problem with your rakeback and now will endorse anything that says the site is shady, when in reality you haven't proven they have done anything wrong here and all you do is complain. How can you expect to get anywhere? You keep asking the same question and being told the answer and its not good enough. You want to know EVERYTHING. you think your $50 deposits grant you some kind of access. You're pathetic.

You are losing sight of the fact that my original question was a general one, nothing regarding a specific event or player. If you can't see that there is something wrong that I can't get a straight answer on a policy that has to do with a competition WPN setup, sorry to say I am not the pathetic one.

how does that information benefit you aside from satisfying curiosity?

Well first of all by getting a honest, straight forward answer I would get the satisfaction that being customer of theirs is important to them, even if I did not agree with their policy. As it stands now I had told cs, security and I believe at least one rep that the closed accounts most likely would cash on the leaderboard before that current weekly race had ended. And you know what I did not get one reply saying not to worry they were on it. When a customer warns a business about a potential problem before it happens and nothing is done about it that should raise some red flags. I mean seriously you don't think having two accounts banned for collusion take the spot of two legit accounts is right do you?

Just to be clear, is the rep came here and said sorry we do not adjust the leaderboard standings even if we find accounts have been cheating, I wouldn't agree but I could accept that. Instead they just try to ignore it and hope it goes away rather than giving an answer that may be unpopular.

Listen, if you dont like the site and you dont play there seems like no need to come here and post.

It seems like everyone knows exactly what goes on behind closed doors.
I would like to know where you get 60% of the site are bots?

Castle - This will be the last time i ever speak about DONS again, it was more hassle than it was worth, everytime someone folded 8bbs there was a case for collusion. It was a pain to deal with every suspicious hand. Case closed.

I don't get how TD's answer to your question isn't straightforward. The accounts were banned and no you don't get more money because they were on a leaderboard. My guess is the money rolled over into the next leaderboard. But neither of us are entitled to know.

What exactly are you talking about here? Asking what the networks policy on what happens to cheaters who finish on the leaderboard is not DoN specific. Cheating can happen in all forms of sngs and any guilty accounts should not be taking spots on the lb from legit accounts.

Hypothetical question for you then. If this weeks winner on the S&C leaderboard is found to be played on by 2-3 people 24/7 and the account is closed are all of the accounts that finished below them moved up to their rightful finishing positions? All I am looking for is what WPN would do in this situation, I don't really see that being a problem do you?

I don't really have to protect the network. Think what you want of Phil or anybody at WPN personally, but they seem to be the only ones with a brain in the industry now. Unless the poker climate changes in America it's going to be difficult for WPN to challenge Euro sites. It's going to take years to get there. There just aren't 10k people waiting to deposit on WPN.

Leaderboard case seems very clear. Accounts banned, doesn't move you up. Collusion in DoN's was basically unavoidable. TD shouldn't have to tell you that.

Angry_nun case is clear. Account not banned. If no refunds were issued, I'm very sure there is a reason for that. And no, you don't get to know why that is.

If you don't like that, then you don't have to use the service. I mean, Pokerstars let Zeejustin back on even after perma-ban and admitting he cheated. WPN seems to take alot of action in cases. And get no credit for it.

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Wrong.

There are a lot more than 10K people out there who want to deposit.

They just don't want to because the site sucks. You can't skip over the micro-stakes MTT schedule that applies to 95% of depositors and expect to have a serious poker site.

This industry just doesn't work that way.

Wow. All you do is ask for the answer about DONS then this. I sorted that issue out at the time. You have lost all credibility with me tbh. Let me just be clear and very upfront. Show me someone else that comes and helps you guys out more than me? I dont look at other threads really or sub forums but please show me someone who helps you like i do.

To the comment about if im passionate about WPN. Funnily enough yes i am and with where we were and where we are right now i am pretty proud of us.
Hate us if you wish but there are many others very happy with what we are doing and the direction we are going

Ok man I get where you are coming from, but all he really wanted to know is when someone on the leaderboard is disqualified what happens to the leaderboard prize that the banned player would receive? Does it go towards next leader board, do the prizes shift down to the next player on the leaderboard?

It is totally understandable that you won't talk about specific players and findings, that is totally standard. It just seems that their should be an official policy regarding these types of situations.

Edit: However, I do appreciate that we have a updates here on tournament schedule changes and the like.

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if you want to double check my question about DoNs is in the thread that you started and personally invited me into by bringing my name up in your first post. This thread is about trying to find the your networks policy on a specific issue in regards to the S&C lb. They are two very different topics. While in my case yes it involved DoNs but the question here covers all sng formats.

I don't know why you wont answer even my hypothetical question as it relevant to not only S&C but also to the Beast. Do you not think the players on the network have a right to know what the policy is?

So I take it you are ok with people losing out because others cheated? Remember for every account that cheats and ends up on the lb either S&C or the Beast, there is another legit account that is left off. But to be fair I don't know for sure that's the policy and neither do you. That is why I am trying to find out get it.

Your assuming something with no grounds!

Ok, lets finish this and close the thread.

If someone was to get taken away from the leaderboard an extra place does get paid yes.