So much ridiculousness in this OP, it's hard to know where to start. I'll start with the fact that we hardly need yet another thread about this, let alone two of them (I've since merged them). And then there's the original title:
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Do Not Deposit on WPN! They Won't Let You Withdraw Funds
Yes, they will. They're even letting
you withdraw.
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Originally Posted by OneLevelHigher
You guys are holding my money hostage until I pay $1000 of rake. Please process my cashout or I will create threads exposing your hidden policy of forcing players to play.
No, you won't...you've got your thread, we don't need more. But it's not much of a threat given that you're making it in the thread you've already started, and many others like it already exist.
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Originally Posted by OneLevelHigher
I deposited $9500, played some 25/50NL on America's Cardroom. Decided the games were too tough so I tried to withdraw. First withdrawal for $4000 was perfect, then when I tried to get the rest of the money out ($7600) they canceled my request and told me I had to pay at least $950 of rake (10% of my first deposit) before I could withdraw any money.
A very common policy; many sites do something similar.
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Originally Posted by OneLevelHigher
There is zero warning of this when you deposit.
This may be a good point; your only one, if it is. This seems to be a common failing - a number of sites that have policies like this aren't very up front about it, and it would be nice to see that improve.
However, I wonder if it isn't something to protect them from those who would abuse the policy. Ideally, they'd obviously like to see more than 10% of the deposit raked, so it's possible they don't want to let people know right when they deposit that as long as they rake 10%, they don't mind being used to launder money. Now, that's pure speculation on my part, and may not be the case. I just wonder when the lack of notice is so common on different sites, if there isn't a reason for it.
But I should note I don't play these days, so I'm not sure what kind of notice WPN
does give - others have said it's in the T&C's, and if so, that's a step ahead of what we've seen from some other poker rooms.
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Originally Posted by OneLevelHigher
They are doing it to force people to keep their games running and because players have no recourse when they deposit with BTC. (Chargeback not possible)
I don't think it's unreasonable to prevent people from depositing, playing very little, and cashing out immediately. They'd lose money on those who do, and they set themselves up to be used for money laundering if they have no restrictions.
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Originally Posted by OneLevelHigher
This is a straight up scam.
No, it isn't.
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Originally Posted by OneLevelHigher
I don't want to play on your site! Give me back my money. I can't believe 2+2 allows ads for this ponzi scheme on their forums.
Ponzi isn't just a cool way to say scam. It has a very specific meaning, and nothing you're complaining about here fits that definition.
As for us allowing ads, what is your thinking here? First of all, if you started this thread and are threatening to start more, you must not have known this topic has been covered many times. So how would we know this is the case? Are you expecting that we have 2+2 staff try out every site for a few weeks before we accept advertising? And if not taking advertising for sites that have a rake requirement was a 2+2 policy, we might as well shut the site down now, and then you'd have no place to complain. Hard to find a site that doesn't require this at least some of the time.
And all of this said, who deposits $9,500 on an online poker site without doing some basic research on their cashout policies, and what their games are like?