Hey WPN reps, could you please provide some insight into the developments you guys plan to roll out within the next 3-6 months? We understand you guys are doing the best you can at developing the software and making the requested improvements, but I think we would all appreciate some insight into current queue. Both for PC and Mac platforms.

I've stated before in the improvement threads, items I think would tremendously help the current state of software provided, such as: fast fold, run it twice, mucked cards, custom bet sizing tabs, player avatars...

But I've also been impressed with the role outs of: ITM ATM, and JPP.

So again, please fill us in on your current plans (within the upcoming 6 months) for software improvements, on both platforms.

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Haven't wanted to bump my own post, but I have been checking this specific thread several times a day waiting for a respectful and detailed response.

There is already a 2000+ post thread devoted to this information. Find it here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...1/index19.html

The WPN reps mention several of the topics you have mentioned, including:

There is also an entire thread devoted to avatar development. Find it here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...ideas-1590237/

If you dig around on the Winning Poker Network section of the forum, you can find a lot of the answers you're looking for. I kind of doubt the reps have time to write you an essay summarizing all of this stuff when it's already out there. There's only 2 people working for them that actively respond to posts on 2+2, and they're clearly very busy people.

Thanks for the help scottywhen

Here's a quick overview of some of the stuff currently going on. Not everything in development is mentioned here because some of it is internal work. We try to keep a balance of these in the development process. There are things being developed and refined the end-user will never see, but it makes us work faster, smarter here. Anyway, the customer-facing stuff we're hoping to get out this quarter:

1. Tournament tickets
2. Reduced duration time of downtime for uploads
3. A jackpot poker app
4. An observe table feature that requires no download (person can share a link so others can observe a table)
5. Avatars

i like all these things, but could we please get some insight on mucked cards at showdown please?

I think we just did.

You guys are relentless with this mucked cards nonsense. Hopefully every other site on Earth changes to the way WPN is.

I don't see stable servers on the list for upgrades..... considering I got booted from a final table for about the 15th time since January, I'd say that fixing that issue should be priority #1. If your site doesn't work no one gives a **** if they have avatars, LDO.

That's probably what he classified as internal work.

Personally, I'm excited for the horizontal expansion (from PC to Mac) and now from PC and Mac to mobile as well. Hoping this will bring an additional wave of players.

I don't know how useful the observe table would be? As the days of high stakes railing have been behind us for some time now...

Regardless, I appreciate the honest anwser.

P.S.. Avatars are definitely +EV

I think that mucked cards would have been given a number of its own if it were on the docket considering, I think, that it is the only thing asked for which players have created a very lengthy request thread of its own. The number it should be given is '1'. If that's what brings players to the tables, that's what should have priority.

It doesn't bring any players that we want to the table. You can't see every single show down at a casino, why should you online?

It brings exactly the type of players we want to see at the tables. Players who play for entertainment want to see how a hand ended simply out of curiosity. Showing mucked cards adds entertainment value. Rec players are results oriented and want to see what happened at showdown.

Casinos and online poker are very different. Entertainment at casinos depends a lot on social interaction. Online doesn't have any real social interaction so it must try harder in other regards to entertain.

Reg players, on the other hand, are the ones who can benefit whichever way it goes. They can gain information by seeing mucked cards or they can exploit rec players by perpetually running crazy bluffs that are seldom exposed when called.

yeah..... I'd bet the majority of true "recs" don't even know they can look at hands after.

If the hands are shown, how can they possibly not know?

I assume we're talking about having to click on the HH tab when a hand is over to see cards like on other sites. Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but pretty sure they didn't display every single hand on FTP or Stars on the table, you had to click the HH tab, which most real rec players aren't going to do every single hand, if they even know it exists.

Some sites show the hands and some just print the hands in the hand histories. But regardless, most players these days use some sort of HUD. Most players who use HUDs are losing players; it's not just the top 10% of players who use them. Those databases, including Holdem Indicator (which is mostly used by rec players) all show the mucked cards even if they are only printed in the hand histories and not shown on the table.

I think what players want from WPN is for the mucked cards to be shown on the table.

I don't know a single recreational player that uses a HUD. By rec I don't mean "part time player" I mean "strictly plays for fun and entertainment". I've tried showing a few rec friends my HUD and why they need it.... they don't care, it's too confusing and a hassle they say.

People on this site severely over estimate the amount of people using HUDs I feel. Most American recs play Bovada, they don't even consider the possibility of a HUD. Even more serious players and pros have no clue they can use a HUD on a site like Bovada, so pure recreational players will? I do agree that most HUD users are losers, so are most posters on this site. The thing is, most recs I know haven't ever heard of this thing called 2+2, let a lone a HUD.

I want poker to go back to poker, even if I lose EV because I can't see info in a HH that I technically shouldn't be seeing based on the rules. Poker has been around longer than sites like Stars that decided for some reason or another that this info should be accessible.

I've spoken to countless rec players who use HUDs or have needed help setting up their HUDs. Long before I ever posted on 2+2 I was involved with a site that catered to new players. If anything, people in this forum underestimate the number of inexperienced players who hope to rely on software to make them play like a pro.

Why would you restrict players who only play for fun and entertainment as being the only type of players who mucked cards would need to bring to the tables? It's losing players who we want to bring to the tables. Who cares if they are playing strictly for entertainment value or not? The overwhelming majority of players are losing players. And there are a whole lot more players who use HUDs than there are players who win at poker.

Not to mention, once again, that there is nothing stopping WPN from showing the mucked cards on the table if that is what is needed to help encourage rec players to the network.

Online poker and live poker are two different animals. There's no going back to anything as far as online poker goes. Even UltimateBet showed mucked cards in its hand histories which could be shown on the tables using various programs in the early stages of online poker.

Look, I don't know if having mucked cards at showdown will bring in more recreational players or not.

What I do know is 1) They said they're working on it, but it seems that they're taking their time and 2) that I get called by worse a lot more on WPN than other sites. Just sayin.

For whichever reason that Santa Cruz has for this obsession over mucked hands, it was not the point of this thread and the off direction it is taking, is not inviting.

This thread should honestly be closed, because the topic was already answered, by the only person capable of doing so.

As far as I'm concerned, mucked cards are just as important as fast fold, avatars, running it twice, and custom bet sizing. But again, this is only what I believe would bring in more recs. This network has a plan of its own.

Writing one post and then responding to a series of replies to my posts hardly constitutes an obsession. Not to mention that I'm not the poster who brought up the issue of mucked cards. As a matter of fact, mucked cards are brought up in almost every thread that discusses upgrades, and is only very very rarely brought up by me.

In case you don't already know it, the CEO and one of the reps have already stated that mucked cards are an upcoming development. I simply said that it should be moved up in priority. So it is absolutely in keeping with the point of the thread.

It's funny that you first state that my posts aren't in keeping with the point of the thread then you completely contradict yourself by saying that mucked cards are just as important as avatars, which was one of the developments that the rep listed in his reply.

Let me tell you something about forums that you don't seem to understand. If you want to just ask a question, you can simply email the site or you can pm a rep to ask that question. When you start a thread to ask a question, your question becomes open for general discussion. That is simply what a forum is. Starting a thread doesn't give you any right whatsoever to try to micro-manage it once it exists.

Why would we want tournament tickets?????? Getting the cash for satellites is what is best for us.

Because fish don't grind satellites to make money, they grind them to get into the tournament and like being able to choose when they play it. Best trade off would be to go back to tournament dollars and let you trade them for cash.

Santa Cruz says rec players use huds and such??lol only on acr boys and girls..lol

I've downloaded a HUD for the trial period and it's too confusing takes the fun out ect ect.

That is how most rec players see it. They don't use it and most people are losing players in poker the only difference is its not fun playing poker were your being bushwhacked by some nit with a program helping him. That's not poker and is a real turn off..

People who play for fun after work or in days off arnt going to sit there whid a HUD and a scripter. There just not. It's no fun and it's not poker.

Most don't know what's happening too them what a shame. If they did they would play even less or not at all. They would be pised and shocked it was allowed..

You know what is even more fun than playing poker? Playing poker and WINNING. You don't need a HUD to play good poker, it is only a tool, but you do need to put time and effort in just like everything else in this world. So you know what? If a player whines and complains that the game is no fun well that just means they aren't winning which means they aren't trying so they have nobody to blame but themselves.