Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
SNG Bot SNG Bot

02-26-2017 , 08:07 PM
I've been playing SNGs for 10 years and this was the most clear evidence I've seen of a bot. Evidence is below, you guys can decide for yourselves.

Suspected bot is MaysShuk (from Russia in case that means anything to you) and has an 8% ROI according to Sharkscope.

Important thing to note when reviewing the below hand history is that Spacetime610 had disconnected mid tournament and was sitting out this entire time. Therefore MindsetTo1st was correctly abusing the bubble with his huge chip advantage. He was literally shoving every hand. Even a complete fish would adjust their game after a few hands and begin to fold.

    WPN, $10 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651358

    MindsetTo1st (BB): 5,260 (105.2 bb)
    Hero (CO): 2,905 (58.1 bb)
    Spacetime610 (BTN): 1,685 (33.7 bb)
    MaysShuk (SB): 3,650 (73 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with J 3
    2 folds, MaysShuk raises to 100, MindsetTo1st raises to 5,260 and is all-in, MaysShuk folds

    Results: 200 pot
    MindsetTo1st mucked and won 200 (100 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


      WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651359

      MindsetTo1st (BTN): 5,460 (54.6 bb)
      Hero (SB): 2,805 (28.1 bb)
      Spacetime610 (BB): 1,685 (16.9 bb)
      MaysShuk (CO): 3,550 (35.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q
      MaysShuk raises to 250, MindsetTo1st raises to 5,460 and is all-in, 3 folds

      Results: 650 pot
      MindsetTo1st mucked and won 650 (400 net)



      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


        WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651361

        MindsetTo1st (BTN): 6,160 (61.6 bb)
        Hero (SB): 2,655 (26.6 bb)
        Spacetime610 (BB): 1,535 (15.4 bb)
        MaysShuk (CO): 3,150 (31.5 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 2
        MaysShuk raises to 250, MindsetTo1st raises to 6,160 and is all-in, 3 folds

        Results: 650 pot
        MindsetTo1st mucked and won 650 (400 net)



        Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


          WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651362

          MindsetTo1st (BB): 6,710 (67.1 bb)
          Hero (CO): 2,605 (26.1 bb)
          Spacetime610 (BTN): 1,385 (13.9 bb)
          MaysShuk (SB): 2,800 (28 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with J Q
          2 folds, MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 6,710 and is all-in, MaysShuk folds

          Results: 400 pot
          MindsetTo1st mucked and won 400 (200 net)



          Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


            WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651363

            MindsetTo1st (SB): 6,910 (69.1 bb)
            Hero (BB): 2,605 (26.1 bb)
            Spacetime610 (CO): 1,385 (13.9 bb)
            MaysShuk (BTN): 2,600 (26 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 7
            Spacetime610 folds, MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 6,910 and is all-in, 2 folds

            Results: 500 pot
            MindsetTo1st mucked and won 500 (300 net)



            Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


              WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651364

              MindsetTo1st (BTN): 7,210 (72.1 bb)
              Hero (SB): 2,505 (25.1 bb)
              Spacetime610 (BB): 1,385 (13.9 bb)
              MaysShuk (CO): 2,400 (24 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is SB with J 9
              MaysShuk raises to 250, MindsetTo1st raises to 7,210 and is all-in, 3 folds

              Results: 650 pot
              MindsetTo1st mucked and won 650 (400 net)



              Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651366

                MindsetTo1st (BB): 7,760 (77.6 bb)
                Hero (CO): 2,455 (24.6 bb)
                Spacetime610 (BTN): 1,235 (12.4 bb)
                MaysShuk (SB): 2,050 (20.5 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is CO with 2 T
                2 folds, MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 7,760 and is all-in, MaysShuk folds

                Results: 400 pot
                MindsetTo1st mucked and won 400 (200 net)



                Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                  WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651368

                  MindsetTo1st (SB): 7,960 (79.6 bb)
                  Hero (BB): 2,455 (24.6 bb)
                  Spacetime610 (CO): 1,235 (12.4 bb)
                  MaysShuk (BTN): 1,850 (18.5 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
                  Spacetime610 folds, MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 7,960 and is all-in, 2 folds

                  Results: 500 pot
                  MindsetTo1st mucked and won 500 (300 net)



                  Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                    WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651369

                    MindsetTo1st (BTN): 8,260 (82.6 bb)
                    Hero (SB): 2,355 (23.6 bb)
                    Spacetime610 (BB): 1,235 (12.4 bb)
                    MaysShuk (CO): 1,650 (16.5 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 6
                    MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 8,260 and is all-in, 3 folds

                    Results: 550 pot
                    MindsetTo1st mucked and won 550 (350 net)



                    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                      WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651371

                      MindsetTo1st (SB): 8,810 (88.1 bb)
                      Hero (BB): 2,305 (23.1 bb)
                      Spacetime610 (CO): 1,085 (10.9 bb)
                      MaysShuk (BTN): 1,300 (13 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is BB with J 9
                      Spacetime610 folds, MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 8,810 and is all-in, 2 folds

                      Results: 500 pot
                      MindsetTo1st mucked and won 500 (300 net)



                      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                        WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651372

                        MindsetTo1st (BTN): 9,110 (91.1 bb)
                        Hero (SB): 2,205 (22.1 bb)
                        Spacetime610 (BB): 1,085 (10.9 bb)
                        MaysShuk (CO): 1,100 (11 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 6
                        MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 9,110 and is all-in, 3 folds

                        Results: 550 pot
                        MindsetTo1st mucked and won 550 (350 net)



                        Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                          WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651373

                          MindsetTo1st (SB): 9,660 (96.6 bb)
                          Hero (BB): 2,155 (21.6 bb)
                          Spacetime610 (CO): 935 (9.4 bb)
                          MaysShuk (BTN): 750 (7.5 bb)

                          Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 K
                          Spacetime610 folds, MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 9,660 and is all-in, 2 folds

                          Results: 500 pot
                          MindsetTo1st mucked and won 500 (300 net)



                          Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                            WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651374

                            MindsetTo1st (SB): 10,160 (101.6 bb)
                            Hero (BB): 2,005 (20.1 bb)
                            Spacetime610 (CO): 785 (7.9 bb)
                            MaysShuk (BTN): 550 (5.5 bb)

                            Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 T
                            Spacetime610 folds, MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 10,160 and is all-in, 2 folds

                            Results: 500 pot
                            MindsetTo1st mucked and won 500 (300 net)



                            Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                              WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651375

                              MindsetTo1st (SB): 10,360 (103.6 bb)
                              Hero (BB): 1,855 (18.6 bb)
                              Spacetime610 (CO): 635 (6.4 bb)
                              MaysShuk (BTN): 650 (6.5 bb)

                              Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 3
                              Spacetime610 folds, MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 10,360 and is all-in, 2 folds

                              Results: 500 pot
                              MindsetTo1st mucked and won 500 (300 net)



                              Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                                WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651376

                                MindsetTo1st (BTN): 10,510 (105.1 bb)
                                Hero (SB): 1,605 (16.1 bb)
                                Spacetime610 (BB): 485 (4.9 bb)
                                MaysShuk (CO): 900 (9 bb)

                                Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 7
                                MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 10,510 and is all-in, 3 folds

                                Results: 550 pot
                                MindsetTo1st mucked and won 550 (350 net)



                                Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                                  WPN, $10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651377

                                  MindsetTo1st (BTN): 11,160 (111.6 bb)
                                  Hero (SB): 1,455 (14.6 bb)
                                  Spacetime610 (BB): 335 (3.4 bb)
                                  MaysShuk (CO): 550 (5.5 bb)

                                  Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 8
                                  MaysShuk raises to 200, MindsetTo1st raises to 11,160 and is all-in, 3 folds

                                  Results: 550 pot
                                  MindsetTo1st mucked and won 550 (350 net)



                                  Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                                    WPN, $10 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
                                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651378

                                    MindsetTo1st (BTN): 11,385 (75.9 bb)
                                    Hero (SB): 1,255 (8.4 bb)
                                    Spacetime610 (BB): 185 (1.2 bb)
                                    MaysShuk (CO): 675 (4.5 bb)

                                    Preflop: Hero is SB with J 3
                                    MaysShuk raises to 300, MindsetTo1st raises to 11,385 and is all-in, 3 folds

                                    Results: 825 pot
                                    MindsetTo1st mucked and won 825 (525 net)



                                    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
                                    02-27-2017 , 03:39 AM
                                    looks just like people being bad at poker
                                    02-27-2017 , 04:27 AM
                                    Quote:
                                    Originally Posted by sixfour
                                    looks just like people being bad at poker
                                    I mean this one is more weird than most. As OP stated the person who's spewing this hard is a reg albeit a low stakes one. That 2nd to last hand where he leaves himself on equal chips with the sit out stack is particularly wtf

                                    This isn't a bot thread that I'm instalocking fwiw
                                    02-27-2017 , 10:39 AM
                                    The last few hands are the most telling. Nobody min-raises/folds <6bbs on the bubble with a player sitting out. Especially considering the chip leader had shoved 20+ hands in a row. The fact that he is a winning player makes it even more obvious to me, because he would understand the bubble and the dynamic of the situation having one player w/ 70bbs and another sitting out w/ <5bbs.
                                    02-27-2017 , 10:54 AM
                                    Sounds like you found a way to exploit this bot -- push it over his raise.
                                    02-27-2017 , 10:57 AM
                                    Quote:
                                    Originally Posted by tedd_e_KGB
                                    The last few hands are the most telling. Nobody min-raises/folds <6bbs on the bubble with a player sitting out. Especially considering the chip leader had shoved 20+ hands in a row. The fact that he is a winning player makes it even more obvious to me, because he would understand the bubble and the dynamic of the situation having one player w/ 70bbs and another sitting out w/ <5bbs.
                                    ^^This.

                                    Those are clearly not the actions of a winning player, and tbh seem egregious even for a bad fish. A program tree of actions and reactions that can't adjust to the dynamic however, could play this way. Pretty clearly this is a bot. I guess nothing is ever certain but I'd say there's a high % chance in this case.

                                    There have been a lot of threads that come and go making claims and accusations without providing any sort of tangible evidence. This one looks pretty good to me though, wp OP, hope WPN investigates.
                                    02-27-2017 , 12:57 PM
                                    Wow, that is pretty telling. Robo-raise, fold to every raise, then repeat. If someone was that bad and played that way, hard to believe they are a winning player overall. Does seem very very robotic though.

                                    Question on the last 5 hands played, the chipstack of the player in question seems to be higher at times than prior hands. The hands being numbered suggest that there are no missing ones, yet they raise and fold out every hand. The stack should consistently drop that amount of chips, no? What I missing something here?
                                    02-27-2017 , 01:32 PM
                                    Quote:
                                    Originally Posted by a dewd
                                    Wow, that is pretty telling. Robo-raise, fold to every raise, then repeat. If someone was that bad and played that way, hard to believe they are a winning player overall. Does seem very very robotic though.

                                    Question on the last 5 hands played, the chipstack of the player in question seems to be higher at times than prior hands. The hands being numbered suggest that there are no missing ones, yet they raise and fold out every hand. The stack should consistently drop that amount of chips, no? What I missing something here?
                                    Yes, once MaysShuk's stack size fell below 10bbs there were a few times in which he shoved all-in and MindsetTo1st folded. My guess is that his decision tree was set up to shove the top 5% or whatever, and just minraise the rest. Therefore his stack did increase from those hands. I was trying to show the pattern of behavior with the hands I posted.
                                    02-27-2017 , 02:19 PM
                                    AH, thanks for the explanation. I read it as consecutive hands played in the game.
                                    02-27-2017 , 03:20 PM
                                    It's interesting to note that when you search MaysShuk on Sharkscope, he or she (or it?) has only ever played 9-man SnGs. No 6-mans, no multi-tables, no heads ups, no jackpots. In and of itself this is a very minor point, but I think taken in combo with OP's observations it paints a suspicious picture of MaysShuk's play.
                                    03-01-2017 , 01:56 PM
                                    Is the bot the guy who is min raise/folding every hand or the guy that is shipping on the guy that folds every time when the Villain 3 bet jams? Confused
                                    03-01-2017 , 03:28 PM
                                    Quote:
                                    Originally Posted by paratrooper99
                                    Is the bot the guy who is min raise/folding every hand or the guy that is shipping on the guy that folds every time when the Villain 3 bet jams? Confused
                                    The min raise/folder...not sure if trolling?

                                          
                                    m