There are several players who don't play eachother, but they do multitable all the time. If you sharkscope them, you see they average about 50 games per day and are small winners with a roi around 2 or 3%. I haven't seen that on any other network. I don't wanna say they are B***, because then this thread will get closed. What's your view on that? I find it very strange. Please comment so we can get a healthy discussion.
If you doubt it, try playing with them, you will see a lot of patterns and similarities.

We all know where this thread is headed. Either provide an indisputable mountain of evidence or get ready for it to be locked. I don't agree with that decision, but the mods have set a precedent in all similar WPN threads even with what I'd argue was healthy discussion in some of them.

Feel free to stop by the Chico thread for some healthy bot discussion.

I don't need evidence, I didn't say they are bots I just wanna see how you feel/see those players.

My comment about bot discussion in the Chico thread is completely unrelated to your op. I just thought I'd mention it in case you ever had the urge to talk bots and wanted an outlet where you could have an open discussion about them.

Regs not playing against known regs is very normal in the HUSNG world unless they're battling for lobbies, that isn't going to happen at $2-5 games. You probably haven't seen that on any other network because WPN is unique in that multiple HU lobbies will open at once in the same stakes. 6 different regs could be sitting at $2 games sitting 1/2 instead of only having 2 possible spots to sit that they'd need to fight over.

We have allowed bot threads to continue temporarily with even marginal amounts of evidence to respect the fact that more info might come in. But we can't just leave wild accusations open forever. Upon locking the last thread I even offered to unlock it if new information came to light. It is not a wild cover up as some of the bot circle jerk crew would like others to believe although funny enough those guys cause the threads to get locked faster.

As you said healthy discussion has actually gone on and it is far from outright censorship there just are guidelines to follow which I don't believe to be too stringent.

I think nothing wrong is going on

i've been playing the $2 HUSNG Turbos all day today and haven't noticed a thing.. a few pretty big winners for $2 SNG's but i beat them over and over today till they quit reging my games =/

And who r the big winners for 2$? I played 1 month and didnt see anyone beating those games with a roi higher than 3%

You realize how rediculus this thread is right? For 50 games a day at the $5 level and even at 5% roi these players are only making $12.50 a day. Who would waste their time cheating for such a small amount? Please let's lock thread, ban op.

12.50 goes much further in Eastern Europe then it does in USA. If somebody sets up a couple bot accounts they could easily be making like 50 a day which is decent money in the countries where the botters come from.

Such stupid logic. Why would someone try to get away with just trying to make a "decent" amount when they could easily move up to bigger stakes and make much more? Furthermore, op never said where these supposed accounts are from and I doubt he even took the time to find out. All this thread is about someone who can't beat the lowest stakes himself so is just looking for an excuse why that is. It's just typical of the losers in society these days who figure if they aren't winning then someone else must be cheating.

And you are the typical nerd who thinks he knows everything I'm well beating the games at 20 and 30$, but I don't play on WPN and received 10$ so I decided to build my wpn roll. Also, yeah, why would someone play 50 games daily to win 12.5$? I would kill myself if I had such a small roi on 2$ games. Why can't I find those kind of players anywhere else? But on WPN there's like 5 of them. Hmmmm.

So you are well on to your way of beating $20 games but you decided your time would be better spent building up a roll for $10 on WPN? Likely story. Either bring some evidence something fishy is going on or get lost.

Its easy to locate a bot online that can beat the micro limit games. Finding a bot sophisticated enough to beat high limits is going to be much tougher.

When you say things like "who would waste their time cheating for a small amount" You have to realize its people who dont see that amount of money as a small amount. Its worth the time to set up accounts to cheat and make small amounts of money in these Eastern Euro countries and it for sure is happening.

And you are completely missing the fact that op never stated these accounts were from eastern Europe. that is something that you are ASSUMING is the case. so basically your rationalization for people playing these micro limits under "strange" circumstances has no basis in regards to this thread. I think the post where he said he doesn't need evidence really should have been the time to lock this abortion of a thread up.

I'm not missing that fact at all.

I was only posting in reply to your post below that nobody would "waste their time" to cheat for 12.50 usd a day.

and my post was in relation to this thread. you are trying to bring assumptions into this thread which only serves to muddy the waters. you even assumed he was talking about bots which he clearly stated he was NOT calling them. time for you to retract your posts.

well when i find someone up over 2k playing mostly $2 HUSNG's that's a pretty big winner at the given stake. The term big winner can be relative to the stake played..

Here are two suspect accounts

Games ABI ROI Profit
16,249 $0.12 $2.17 5.2% $1,950
18,872 $0.11 $2.13 5% $2,077

They also started playing within 1 day of each other. And that's a reasonable amount of money is eastern Europe

I think it's funny that people on here either believe everyone is a bot or that there's no way any players could be bots. Why can't we just be realistic about it? I personally find it unlikely that someone would play 18,000 $2 husngs for 11 cents profit per game. They likely would have moved up or given up. Sure, it's definitely possible these two players are legitimate, but isn't it also possible and even more likely for bots to be putting in that type of volume at the lowest stakes and softer games? Try to search for how many games they've played against each other as well. If the answer is zero, that seems just a little bit fishy.

They have never played against each other. They are obviously bots. It's super unlikely it's two humans that started playing at the same, at the same pace and with nearly identical win rates. It's very likely they are botting with more than just these two accounts. Probably on more sites and different sng formats

This is getting stupid. Please tell everyone how you know what a reasonable amount of money is in Eastern Europe. And please tell everyone what time frame we are talking about here. Is it over a year, two years maybe longer? Here's a possibility for you to consider. Maybe it's the same player playing one session on one skin and then playing another session on another skin. I am totally open to the idea of bots being on the network but come on let's get smart about this now.

The two accounts started playing on 10/31/16 and 11/01/16 both on the same skin.

"Oh no they are not, you need proof" - this is the typical response here. But not from me: of course they are bots.

Well then what exactly have you done about it?