If you read my post, I said that normally it wouldn't be more in poker rake, but WPN might be slightly different. They don't push things as hard as Bovada.

In terms of straight poker rake the sites clear more from the regs than the recs for sure. Regs play significantly more volume and higher stakes on average, and remain liquid and in action a lot longer. Does this make regs a valuable customer and should the site listen to them? YES.

Obviously regs would like perks and bonuses and such, and sites that do those things get their business over other sites or at least have a leg up on that business. But what's the 1 thing regs want more than any other? That would be worse players to play against. That's how a reg maintains their edge and makes money. If you're really good, some of those worse players will be other regs and regfish. But no matter where you are on the reg totem pole, you all benefit from rec players in the player pool. And since rec players play less volume, and busto more frequently, you need a regular influx of new ones as well.

So in a sense, the site's desire to cater to recs and drive things that they think will attract more recs is catering to the regs by default. It's feeding their poker economy.

Listen to the regs, yes. F the recs at the expense of all else is so LOL short sighted though imo.

I'd be shocked if they aren't making MUCH more from sb/casino. IF you watch the twitch streams you can see Phil's reaction when somebody posts about the sb being down, my read is they make heaps from it.

I'd actually like to see a poll as to what 2+2 members feel is going on here, as in if they care about regs and the poker community or is it a ruse, whats the reason for all the shenanigans.. incompetency, terrible business decisions, rec friendly model similar to BV but in disguise or..? I'm sure we can't do a poll but I'm curius and I can't figure it out for the life of me. I'm over it, I'll give it a shot in another 6-12 months but it's too much to deal with for me now, ungrindable IMO

Both. WPN let the players do the policing of the games themselves so for them to say they pulled the DoNs because there was to much investigating to because of all the accusations well I am sorry to say they brought it on themselves. And for you to say that it is players false accusations that killed the games well that is just plain ignorance. And before you go and say I am wrong lets check the facts. There have been at least four know colluders that have been banned. These accounts were brought to WPNs attention BECAUSE of the players, not because WPN was on their game. If is wasn't for the players these accounts would still be actively cheating the games. So lets face it, the DoNs are not here anymore not because of the players but because WPN couldn't get the job done.

You are wrong.

RIP WPN

Really? I have one particular instance that proves WPN dropped the ball which even you can not dispute. You want to go over that?

Rake (collected by a poker network) equals deposits minus withdrawals. While regs' role in the poker economy is conversion of fishes' deposits to rake and it's quite important, it's secondary. Poker sites can make some money without regs (if fish play, they still generate rake, though at fewer tables), but can't make any money without fish because regs then won't play either.

Seems like I've already spent a good part of my life listening to your meandering complaints.

I think that's very true. I've found it really hard to convince some people of that though.

Stating that WPN left two confirmed colluding accounts on the S&C leader board for 5 days after they were banned is hardly a complaint. Do you not agree it is things like this that allowed the collusion accusations run like wild fire because WPN failed to deal with such matters? And the fact that you chose not to acknowledge this fact shows how ignorant to this situation you really are.

You've brought this same thing up over and over again now. That you keep presenting your assumptions and opinions as facts just highlights how ignorant about all of this you really are.

I told you before I would love to forward the emails WPN sent me. They have the dates and confirmation that the accounts were banned for collusion. So I don't know where you get that these are assumptions, these are FACTS. But keep trying to dodge these facts, it only shows that you only pick and choose what info you want to hear. And that is the definition of ignorance.

And you're the definition of obsessive-compulsive. You've gone over this nonsense over and over again. You started a thread where you went through your database and demanded your buy-ins be returned to you for games that you played against those guys even though you never claimed that they had actually cheated you. You encouraged everyone else who had ever played against those guys to do the same. Is it any wonder why the network would want to get rid of those games?

You have no idea whether the amount of evidence warrants all the things that you demand or have expected from the network unless you are a mind reader. And remember, just because you hear voices in your head, that doesn't make you a mind reader.

You seriously need to get a life. I've wasted a large amount of time going back and forth with you about this for weeks now. I'll bet that someday when you are 90 years old, you'll still be trying to pick fights with the nursing home attendants about this.

Well that is twice now I have offered to send you the emails I have from WPN and you have tried to scoot away so I guess it is confirmed, you are a fraud. You keep going on telling people they need more evidence and yet when more evidence is provided you turn your head. When you want to face the facts let me know and I will open your eyes to what is really going OK.

I don't care about any emails you have. If they were any kind of smoking gun of anything at all, you would have posted them a long time ago. And support certainly doesn't send out confessions, as you seem to be implying. You are a huge time drain and you have been going over the exact same things for months now. Give it a rest.

You don't care about the truth so that makes you a fraud.

Actually I do have one question for you Santacruz. If it were you in charge of WPN and you found two accounts to be colluding would you have them taken off any promotional leaderboard or would you let the integrity of the leaderboard come into question by leaving them on?

Why does every WPN thread turn into testicular cancer?

Don't worry, TC can be cured in >95% of cases

You really need to find a hobby.

Its the wpn standard. Jollie old santa might something to do with that.

I'd like to comment for once because all I see is players complaining & b****ing over the littlest items. Why doesn't everyone take a step back and look at the whole picture before getting caught up on little things that are seemingly bs little whining players.

Let's for once focus on all the good thing WPN offers. First off bringing back the Million Dollar Sunday. Everyone starts by complaining about the DDOS Attacks & Lag the first or second time trying to run this, but I guarantee there is no thread pertaining to how smoothly the 2nd official Million Dollar Sunday went. On Top of the Fact, WPN is clearly doing what's best for the players as evident by the Overlay given in the first two instances this tourney has been run. The first and 2nd additions had about $75-95k in Overlay both times, clearly showing the site is willing to take a slight hit in the short term with the overall goal of breaking this guarantee the next time it will be run. Hence, this is going to increase overall traffic to the site, creating bigger guarantees and bigger prizepools for all.

Secondly, let's discuss the progressive Sunday Major that will be reaching $100k for the first time this Sunday. What a great success this has been and I am truly wondering how high this will eventually be capped. $125k Seems very obtainable with $150k seeming reasonable as well. Is $175k or $200k Possible, that I'm not sure, but we will certainly find out in the upcoming months here. Excellent job here, nothing like this in the entire industry let alone outside of the US.

Thirdly, let's talk about customer service. You can call them or email them and they have only been more than accommodating each and everytime. This is outside of the OSS December Series were the site correctly and rightfully issued out refunds to all players during the DDOS Attacks and were posted back to accounts within 24 hours.

Finally, let's not forget about the cashouts. This is primarily the main reason I will play on WPN and only WPN within the United States. The debit card option is the best in the industry and I typically get my money within 1-2 business days without any issues whatsoever. I have cashed out a substantial amount on this site over the last year or two and have never once had an issue.

I'd much rather play on a site with smaller guarantees and smaller fields knowing they are doing their utmost to increase player traffic and quality of games for the future. With no Legislation realistically in site, WPN is making all the right strides to become the leader in the United States poker market. They may never be able to compete with Bovada in terms of traffic, but their software and everything else related is bar none.

I see you like to dodge questions much like dodging the truth.

Is it somehow not obvious to you that I don't even want to talk to the guy?

I really don't know cuz I just skip most of the long post from the people that like to agrue with you. I thought you enjoyed it really. I think you speak truth a lot and peeps can't take it. I just blame you cuz I felt like it.