Both of your examples are fair (although not sure how valid or valuable the blind collusion example is).

That said, the 5-bet example is a micro edge. Only a small % of total hands reach 5-bet. From there, it's less likely a villain bot(s) folded an A or K because hero is blocking them with a 5-bet range of AA-QQ, AKs, AKo, A5. I don't know the math and am not going to pursue it, but the edge you're pointing out is occurring far less than 1% of all hands and only in perfect scenarios.

In regard to blind collusion, it gets tricky because the hero button could start 4-betting more or play tighter against the blinds, but I see what you're saying. I'd have to think more on this. Also, FWIW, I have hands where accused bots stacked each other.

Also, it's important to note that this is 100% hypothetical. The players listed are suspected, by some, to be bots. They haven't been proven to bots. Furthermore, if they are bots, there's been no indication of collusion thus far.

Your are right, 5bet-plays are only a small % of all hands, but the principle of this is the same for every allin-situation (you can have this on the flop and turn too or some bots play a midstack-strategy and then you can have such preflop-allins in 3bet-plays...) and if you always lose there a few % equity then it adds up with the time.


Good bots dont play a 100% hard collusion style, because it would be too obviously and make it too easy for the anti-bot-software. For example, if the bot in the btn normaly openraises 55%, then its no good idea to openfold JJ, because he knows that the sb holds AA here...if he do this one time, ok, can be a missclick and the anti-bot-software dont care it, but if he would do this always then its only a question of time until they were detected (at least on stars, on wpn I'm not sure^^). Other reason: It could be weaker bots who dont share holecards or the bots can have diffrent owners.

But ok, proof me wrong, just show me one chart, where a human known player runs 50+ stacks over ev on wpn, ONLY ONE!

Whether you meant it to be or not OP this has turned into a riggie thread and as such locking it up. Santalino there is a lovely thread about rigged poker in internet poker. They will have a debate with you there all day. Until you come with actual proof keep that nonsense out of this forum.