I only play a.c.r....

Fast cash outs...

Honest card dealing...

Good customer service..

But?? The 180 late registration with 15 minute blind is ridiculous by all objective measures..

I don't want to play one online tournament for 6 hours!! I play daily and this makes it difficult, I got a day job..

I love playing tournament,s, I've adjusted my game for 120 minutes late reg and that's fine. I know why there doing it.. 180 minutes with 15 minute blind is just too much.

really believe they would get more entries per tourney and!! People playing more tournaments on thete day off as well..

The 180 minute late registration is ridiculous by all objective measures..

I've adjusted my game to 120 minutes because I get why they do it and I really like that a.car has fast cash outs and the cards are honest and the lobby and game structure as opposed to b.o.l. and full flush but!!!! 3 hours is just too much..

It's pushing me away..

The winning_td rep responded to my query on is "acr worth it thread"

He responded quickly and adequately..

good luck having them listen

that should be the ACR slogan. Cards are honest

Agreed but doubt anything will change. I have a day job and a kid. Finding 4 hours to play an mtt is tough but 6+ hours is damn near impossible.

We're probably in the same boat...

I prefer a.c.r. above all other sites for the above mentioned reasons.

I've adjusted myself to the 2 hour mtt and most if them are coming in that way now..

But I refuse!!! Whether I have the time or not to play anything with a 3 hour late registration. Regardless of buy in or g.t.d..won't even play a satellite to a game with 3 hour registration.

It's my form of protest but I gave compromised to the 120minutes because all in all they are a good site..

So, I'm wondering why the late registration is absurd. I'm hearing time constraints as the main problem. I'm not a tournament player, but this doesn't make sense to me.

Let's look at a $1,000 GTD tournament with a $10 buyin as an example. This tourney needs 100 people to cover. There are two ways to get it to cover.

1. 100 people start the tournament with a full stack. There is no late registration. The tournament covers and goes x hours.

2. 25 people start the tournament with a full stack. 75 others come in at the end of late registration with 10 big blinds. The tournament covers and goes x hours.

Are you telling me having 75% of the playing field start the tournament with push/fold stacks makes the event run longer? If anything, I would think it's the opposite.

It actually doesn't..

I love a.c.r. and I'm not a nitpicking..

I'm just a daily rec player who loves online poker..

The 3 hour is just to too much..

It should be 1 hour but I've compromised with 2. I would think that the majority of players would agree.

I'm a very typical rec Mtt player. I don't do cash tables and sit n go,s just.dont do it. Just tournament,s

It's impossible to play a 3hour late reg tournament even on my day off. I actually play all day but I want to get a couple of tournaments in not just one for 6 hours.

I will stay with a.c.r. because like I mentioned before the fast cash out,s and honest cards.

You are in a tough position.. but more than 2 hours is ridiculous unless it's a mega game.

I'm not saying don't have larger g.t.d. with 180 late reg during the day and night but the majority should be 60/120 minutes

In a normal tourney people start with why less chips. Wpn runs medium to deep stack tourneys. Double stack use to be 3000. Alot of these you start with 5000 or 10000 that is deep stacks. It makes for a much longer tourney.

I think in this example they would run pretty close to the same amount of time cuz their is the same amount of chips. If anything like you said 2 would be less time cuz it would make 75% have to gamble pretty quick.

I think most people don't know what it is that makes these last so long. If you had 100 people with 1500 chips that makes for 150,000 total chips. If 100 people had 5000 chips that makes 500,000 total chips. Going by the big 10 3k G. In the 1500 chips after 1 hour and 45 minute you would only have 10bb. But in the 5k it takes 3 hours to have 10bb. I just noticed the blinds in this tourney are weird too.

Going by another site that calls 5k chips super stack. In 2 hours and 12 minutes you would have 10bb with 5k chips and in a 1500 chip reg tourney you would have 10bb after 1 hour. They also have 12 minutes levels.

Totally agree but your more articulate..

The 15 minutes blinds!!! With the 3 fk hour late reg and then throw in the chip size makes one tourney like a job (8 hours)..

Max should be 12 minute blinds (I actually prefer 10) and 120 minutes late registration should be max( I prefer 60) but understand why there expanding the late from 1 till 2 but 3 hour,s is too much..

The chip size is important, for the reasons you mentioned but can live with it if late reg was 2hours.
3 hours is never ending entries and too many get lucky making you fell like a chump for starting the tourney, a lot of it is!! Dead money that increase prize pool but too many just get lucky making you fell like a schmuck..

I agree with the time problems, it's so hard to crack the money in a big tourney anyways but to get so close then bust on the bubble is just burning time, and time is money. OR alternatively you join when it's about to go and you have fun gambling the first queen or other card you get and just go all-in against all the bigstacks and hope you run good. Boring.

I don't really want to play elsewhere for the above reasons you mentioned but I have just written off big tourneys entirely, the only thing playable is ODs. Sit n Gos are dead, so of course I will force the mandatory "Bring 50/50s to ACR" once per thread mention. I'd sure like to know if jackpot poker has been "worth it" to them.

Case in point - I just finished playing a micro-stakes tourney, played well over an hour and lost a few from the money bubble (174 total entrants) because I ran AKo vs KQs and a queen came on the flop, then I ran KQo into pocket Aces...an hour's hard work and I was still just trying to make the bubble, let alone make actually good money or be able to finish and go to sleep. Come to ACR, get sucked-out and burn your time! This is the last straw for me, I can't take it any more. I'm looking for sites that have DoNs/50/50s/SNGs of some kind that you don't have to wait 30 minutes on a Sunday to get started. I'll be happy to come back to ACR when you guys do have games like that but until then, ACR is addicted to the jackpot poker teat.

I agree to some extent....

J.p. is not going anywhere!! It's printing money for them...

I'm the same way with tournament,s. I want to play a couple or at least one good one after work and go to sleep.

D.o.n. are no!! Good it's all collusion!!!!!! I'm glad thete gone..

The j.p. has hurt the sit n go,s big time!!!

At least I'm seeing more 60,90,120 minute tournaments. I will not do 180 minute unless it's a mega tournament on my day off and if I'm not getting laid anytime soon that day. Those 180,s are too demanding. So are the 120,s but il compromise with a.c.r. I really looked for the 60 or 90 minute ones..

But the sit n go's were good when I wanted to play for 20 minutes before bed. Those are gone now thanks to j.p.

Most rec guys like us only do sit n go and tournaments.

The cash tables are to rough and too many regulars looking for "bum,s".

Once again I'm a fan of a.c.r. for the mentioned reasons I posted initially on this thread..

I'm not nit picking...

I'm not a grinder who are parasiticle by nature and manipulate bonuses and cry,cry,cry if I can't stack all the chips in my favor. I actually think if a.c.r. does what party poker does and get rid of the uber aggressive grinders who do nothing but cash out would actually help there bottom line.

Imagine rec players actually winning and telling there friends... when we cash we just buy in to higher levels. Even overlays don't hurt on the micro/low level. We generally don't withdraw we "reinvest", lol..

I've played on lock, full flush, poker stars and b.o.l and by far prefer a.c.r. Even over stars.

Did you know that stars uses computer programmes now and since they have one of there employees click the type of move "they don't consider that a bot!?!?" And the site is full of them. I always preferred a hungry #2 over an arrogant #1.

They have growing pains as we all do..

The winning_td is actually listening and trying to balance g.t.d and rec players and I'm sure has many sleepless night over it.

The j.p. really did screw up the sit n go's but that bucket if money ain't going nowhere. So fugedaboutit.....

I really think we can affect some change in tournament structures.
Less starting chips..
10/12 minute blinds for regular tournaments..
60/90 minute late registration..

Once again il do 120 because the site is worth the effort..

180 late reg should be allocated to mega tournament,s or a selective amounts of daily tournament,s.
It should be more the exception not the norm.

I believe I'm being non nit picking and compromising and fair in this regard considering it still a fledgling site with promise and the current environment..

50/50s are harder to collude. At least give us something on the Sit N Go end to perhaps revitalize the games. ACR needs to deepen their core following as well as broadening their base like they did with the JPP, if Stars ever gets back into the US all of those little jackpot fishies are gonna swim to fresher waters. I thought the DON crowd was loyal, DONs were always running, I think 50/50s would be close to swarmed with grateful SNG players. Or at least something to make up for JPP killing SNGs!

Actually the Don s were very much colluded even from Chinese groups never mind individuals...

As far as sit n go I agree with you..

If they used some of that cash from j.p. and padded more points for playing sit n go or something like that.

The site could care less about 98% of the players. They are more happy having 6 players playing 40 tables than to have 240 different players at the same 40 tables. Nothing will change with this site for the better for the 98%. BUT when the 2% start ONLY playing with themselves and the beast prize goes down then so will they. As it happen to Qtip when he was no longer able to cash playing 40 25 cent tables for beast money. Guess he was a losing normal poker player...gimmick poker is NOT poker.. and small stake 3 and 4 hour late reg and rebuy are as as stupid as the people that run the site. This could be a good site if it cared more about the 98%, But I guess if your making your money with just a few players you don't need to spend money on extra severs or support. Look at all these request for fixes and they take the site down for upgrades that are gimmicks or for table spam that tells about the gimmicks!!! Now I do agree it is their site to make money but you really need to give the 98% something and some reason to play. Not to sit and wait 30 seconds for every player to make a call. BUT if the 98% only play a few hours they are not Paying enough. if the tourneys goes for 6 hours they expect those players to be multi tabling a few other tables longer. This really is a bad site for true poker players but if you like gimmick and want to just push buttons, guess then it don't get any better for that. I was an every day POKER player on the site until it became to slow to play. I play POKER for fun and profit and have always done so. It was OK to take those button pushers money cause they were more interested in making gimmick money than playing actual winning poker. Even taking their money became no fun for the time it took to play and it didn't matter if cash or tourneys...SLOW really SLOW poker sucks when you only got a short time to play!!!! Good luck all of you and I will see you 98% on the next site to come along that gives a crap.

Besides the long time for a tourney, I think it messes up the flow of the tourney. You have people keep rebuying, people coming in that haven't played the game yet it's 3 hours in and they shove 10bbs. I've seen many people in these tourneys just shove any 2 cards and then keep rebuying.

It Takes the fun and skill out of poker just to fold everything, then risk your stack on a guy shoving all in non stop because he keeps rebuying. He turns over aces and your either out or your stack is down and may never recover.

I hate bingo poker, it use to be you bought in with a 30 min late reg, couldn't rebuy if you got knocked out, unless it was deemed a rebuy tourney. now sites have changed, they figured out "hey, we can make more rake if we make it a re-entry". I understand why all these poker sites do it, it's just for the money and always will be but it's not good for many if any tourney players. Unless you like 8+ hour tourneys with little player pool.

Also the GTD stuff is so much hype and not really needed IMO. If they don't meet the GTD they either lower the GTD or take out the tournaments from the schedule. It's all an illusion, I prefer the non-GTD, they seem to have a better structure.

I would play 10+ tourney's a day if they weren't so long, right now I play maybe 2-3 if I'm in the mood. People that have any life just can't play in these long winded games. I would understand if it was a special series that were longer but man PS did most of the SCOOP 2 day events in this year, some with 4 hour late registration!

Two main reasons people play online Vs. live is speed and multi-table. If I wanted to I could play live local in a much shorter time.

As others have said, the structure is what's absurd. And not even necessarily the structure - slow tournaments are fine. Having *only* slow tournaments is ridiculous. Especially now that SnGs are dead, you're offering essentially nothing to tournament players who want to play longer than ten minutes but less than five hours at a stretch. And most people don't have time to play five-plus-hour sessions. To do that you have to be either a pro or an addict, and even many of us in those categories don't want to, or have other commitments that prevent it.

I don't get why I can't play a nice, entertaining 90-minute turbo MTT. I don't get why I can't spend three hours playing a normal or slightly deep tournament the few times I have the chance. I'm never going to play one of these things that eat my whole day; I don't have a whole day to feed you.

Also, the general WPN marketing strategy of "we will inspire people by waving meaningless big numbers in front of their face" is insulting and kind of repulsive. The Guaranteeds are actually the best of those. Beast and Sit&Crush are artificially inflated by the rollovers and the tiers mean that no single player ever approaches getting a significant percentage of the numbers displayed in the lobby. And all the Jackpot promos are flat-out lying about how much you can win in a Jackpot. (No one can win $100,000 in a $40 Jackpot. The most one can win is $75,000.)

Part of the reason WPN doesn't have many fish is that modern fish aren't incredibly stupid the way they were during the boom. They can read T&Cs.

I don't think that fish were ever as stupid as many have made them out to be. Just because someone isn't very good at poker doesn't mean that they are illiterate, or don't know how to use the Internet, or don't know how to find the best bargains. Actually, not playing poker may well be a sign of intelligence.

The structure is the biggest factor in determining about how long it will go. So you're correct on that.

The biggest problem with the extended late reg is that players are able to keep re enter (at a smaller ROI) which does two things. It reduces every players ROI on the tourney and makes the recreational players loose money faster (or really not get that occasional win or final table because the fields are too tough). It really doesn't benefit many people. So its not so much the amount of time you can late reg as much as its the re entry.

In general recreational players don't like when there raises are shoved on constantly cause half the table is short (similar to short stackers in cash). Grinders shouldn't like it either cause it cuts down on their ROI, a lot of people don't seem to grasp that though.

It makes tons of sense for the site to keep stuff the way it is. They flat out make more money by cutting down on players ROI or winrates (beast) and who knows how long it will be before more states get on board with regulated poker. I do think there are a few ways that they could keep the profits up, potentially grow and keep the games fun.

It's just not much fun for some of us when the goal post keeps moving as the game goes on. That's one of the major reasons that I don't play tournaments. I used to like playing tournaments occasionally on PokerStars and on Merge for the first year or so after BlackFriday.

Players buying in late turn the games into donkfests. The very best tournament players with the big stacks do obviously benefit; but for a lot of the other players, it's like Lucy pulling the football away as Charlie Brown tries to kick it. No joy. Tournaments aren't my specialty by a long shot; I find myself lying on my back way to often in this late rebuy/registration format. So I just don't play them (including the Merge tournaments).

I think that one of WPN's biggests leaks is that everything on this site is geared towards pushing all the money to a small proportion of players. The tournaments are just one more example of that. I often wonder if management is accepting too much advice from pros.