I have been a loyal customer of WPN for 4+ years. I no longer play on WPN even with the increased traffic because I have better options as I moved out of the country. I understand that in the past, registration was extended to 5 hours in many flagship events in order to meet large guarantees. Your player pool has increased enough that you no longer need 5 hours of late reg. to meet these guarantees. I think that re entering with less than 10bbs is kind of absurd. The structure of these tournaments takes way too long to finish. No one wants to grind 12 hours to make an FT. It would be nice to add some flagship events that have 2-3 hours of late registration.

First of all.. Your no longer a loyal customer :-(

You see a few people complain but the truth is they get more or less over 1000 entries so people may not like them but the majority do. I have the 20k $28 that still overlays so your theory is incorrect.

Although we could prob cover the 60 30k etc with 3 hours it wouldnt get to over 40k.

Just because I am no longer playing there doesn't mean I wouldn't come back

I know a lot of people that don't play on there anymore due to the length of time it takes to finish a tournament. The big 22 on stars takes approx 8 hours to finish, good structure and has 2400+ runners. The manic monday had 1388 runners and took 10 1/2 hours to finish. There is too much meaningless play(tiny blind jumps) in the early stages and less play in the late stages due larger blind jumps. People want more play when the money matters. This is a fact. Yea I understand some tournaments may overlay but you could adjust guarantees accordingly.

I've really never got this complaint, aren't 80-90% of the MTTs actually 3 hour late reg or less? It would seem only the biggest of the big guarantees are 5 hours so giving that up seems like a poor compromise when there are a lot of other tournaments to register instead.

I will say though that i'm admittedly biased as someone who runs a stable and as a grinder myself. Having slower structures will have the highest edges for a stable such as mine.

+1 to huge LR time elimination.
It's really bad imo.
2 days ago I played $1500 and Maniac Monday $1000 GTDs , I didn't even made to final table (eliminated 35 - 15 ) and I was playing for more than 9 hours in each Tournament.
5 Hours is really a long time! last level of LR will give you 9 BBs!!!

^^This is why a lot of people hate the 5 hour LR games. It is actually possible to make really good tournaments that don't drag on all day and night.

Tbh he's got a pretty legit point on this part here, no matter what anyones' opinions on late reg may be. Idk many people who would honestly be against trading a few of the earliest levels out for a few extra blind levels in the mid-late stages. Especially true for pot-limit games, but for NL it might not be as big of a deal. It would likely generate a bit of extra entries overall too, since people will be playing for stacks sooner and more often.

Do you know what % of 5 hour LR tournaments are compared to the rest of the schedule?

There are 3 5 hr tourneys each day - one for the early thing and 2 in the afternoon. If you don't like them, don't play them - there are hundreds of other options each day. Just based on the numbers, I would say most people do not hate these - except for the Sunday special they have the largest prize pools on the site, and they offer the best value bc of the slow structures and the fact that a lot of tourney players have no clue how to play post flop (which is why I understand some folks hating on the structure - flop, turn, and river decisions can be hard).

I personally don't mind a tournament to be Deep stacked at all! (I'm a cashgame player and prefer deep stack game way more than small stack all-in fold game!)
But 5hrs is really long. IMO
When a GTD is achived , it doesn't need anymore LR IMO

Well Mohsen.. If that were to be the business plan I could just have every tournament with unlimited late reg until the guarantee hits.

TBH i like it.. i could do a million gtd everyday

I actually like the 5 hour late reg tourneys. They usually have a really good structure and a large guarantee... I personally hate 5k starters that late reg thru the 800 bb level. i think its 3 levels too many and creates a ton of added variance imo..

However you need to adjust. Most sites (bovada left ny ) and all casinos have seem to go to this long late reg/ re-entry tournaments to build guarantees. All my local casinos they do weekend long multiple flight tourneys allowing re-entry all the way thru right up to being able to enter at the beginning of day 2. It's like that every where. The only one day tourneys left are poorly structured, over raked dailys..

So you need to adjust. You can't look at a $22 online mtt as a $22 mtt anymore. You have to view i as 2-3 times the buy in, maybe more. I usually use a 2.6x the buy in rule for most tourneys, some are unique and require a different multiplier... Use a formula like this, play within your bankroll, and be able to fire multiple bullets so you are not at a disadvantage..

Or just stop playing here, make a thread like this, threaten that you and your friends won't come back unless they do away with 5 hour late reg tourneys


Gl wih that

Yep, despite the fact that they get more entries and larger prize pools than any tourneys on the site, and that WPN has now grown to pass bovada/ignition and become the largest US facing site, winningtd should get rid of them to accommodate some dude who doesn't play here anymore and his friends. Makes sense to me.

OP is right. I just play ring games and sit n goes on here. The 5 hour registration is a drag and not fun. I'd get back into tourneys if you had more 1-2 hour late reg max.

Don't play the 5 hour late reg mtt's then. There are plenty of MTT's on the daily schedule with only 2-3 hours of late reg.

Yeah play the 20k $28 with 3 hr late reg. Only took 12 hours from start to finish yesterday.

I don't often play the 5 hour late reg. tournaments, but the last thing I think is that they should be taken away. They are wildly successful. Obviously anything can be improved upon, but they're doing incredibly well for the site.

Some of today's tourneys:

5 hr late 109 50k - 71k in pool
5 hr late 16.5 15k - 21,855 in pool
3 hr late 30 20k - 20,468 in pool

Its like that every day, the 5 hr lates are the most successful tourneys on the site - people like playing for all that money up top. If you don't like them, don't play them, but to say get rid of them because you don't like them is not going to happen. No matter how many people you know who say they won't play the site because of them, there are a lot more people who are playing on the site and playing the 5 hr late reg tourneys. The 5 hrs are not going away.

OSS 2.0 - 8 hour late reg mtts with jackpot payouts!

I just remember being at the phat thursday FT and average stack was around 20bbs. The tournaments are poorly structured in that there is much more play in the early stages than in the end stages, which creates higher variance, especially on a site where chopping is not an option. The small blind jumps in the late registration stage are merely there in order to keep late registration going so you don't re-enter absurdly short. I am not threatening WPN in any way. These are just suggestions and I know that WPN has done a great job creating an open forum here where we can give feedback.

I agree that any late registration past 3 or so hours is kinda ridiculous but they have a wide range of late reg GTD tournys. There are a lot of tournaments that only have 1 hr 30min late reg, specifically freezeouts which are the closest you will get to a hardcore tournament style with there being no late reg/re entry. I do think it would benefit the community if they added special tournaments throughout the day with no late registration. Don't even do a GTD if that's of concern, as long as it's got no late reg that's fine for me. I'm getting kind of sick of playing tournaments and spending an hour + just waiting for late reg to end for the "real play to begin", and the fact that until late reg ends it feels as though your position doesnt matter is a good argument for why we need tournys without it.

They already have these, they are called 9 man sngs. I doubt if they made these you could even get 9 people to reg a no guarantee, no late reg tourney

I had an idea last night lets hear your thoughts.

An on demand $10- 2.5K GTD
Start with 250 players and no late reg

This is basically what your after ?

Overs and unders on how long it would take to start?

Where did anyone say they wanted no late reg at all?