Yikes... I originally filtered hands at "Final Show Down".... Never really lost when I held quads, just quads on the board vs high cards

Deleted my post due to the above examples, skews numbers a bit when posted from my data base... Sorry

I just manually counted quads when holding 2 cards (pair) in my hand = 11 times out of ~13,000 hands

Breakdown of Quad hands I played:

2 cards in my hand: 11 times
1 card in my hand: 18 times
0 card in my hand: 3 times (lost, high card)
0 cards in my hand: 3 times (high card won)

Breakdown of Straight Flushes, hands I played:

5 times

Using both cards in my hand: 3 times
Using 1 card in my hand: 2 times


--Filter PT4 "Final Hands @ Showdown"--

Makes sense. I have one in my database somewhere where a guy made a move on me 3b shoving the flop with 87s on 255 vs. my 22, and the board ran out 5, 5. I guess PT4 counts that as losing with quads.

I love how people post hands to make it seem like they play well, post ONE hand without the dynamics of the history. Obv, with the higher flush draw you are ahead. NM, most these PLO JP players are crazy with the all in's. Just stupid bingo poker....doesn't need to be. Once I figure out how these "players" hit runner runner Quad 4's I might be able to win.

Just because you opened a can of worms, I have many more....and this is pretty normal, I don't win with AAXX, all in PF, I think I've lost my last 10 or so.
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 10/20 PL Hi (3 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

validscreenname (SB): 26 BB
windpspro3 (BB): 39 BB
(BTN): 10 BB

validscreenname posts SB 0.5 BB, windpspro3 posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) windpspro3 has A 9 A Q

fold, validscreenname raises to 3 BB, windpspro3 raises to 9 BB, validscreenname calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) J 4 2
validscreenname bets 17 BB and is all-in, windpspro3 calls 17 BB

Turn: (52 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (52 BB, 2 players) T

validscreenname shows 7 2 3 Q (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
(Pre 36%, Flop 41%, Turn 80%)
windpspro3 shows A 9 A Q (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 64%, Flop 59%, Turn 20%)
validscreenname wins 52 BB

I just can't overcome these bad plays ahead 60% or over 80% even a 1% many times and I don't even have 500 games in.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around people who have VPIP 75%+ PRF 60%+ make horrible calls with downright terrible hands and still at least break even is beyond me.

Wish they would add 4-max, mine always is off.

Wait wat? Who said anything about anybody playing well? This was about running bad, possible riggaments, etc. And you didn't post any graphs or even any hands. And I found it funny because in my DB you're up in AIcEV, and then that hand happened in a 6x, so lol.



umm

So the big whammy is you losing a 60/40?

The can of worms would be to post the quad 4s hand or a graph or something. This doesn't have anything to do with hands between us.

I assumed your response would be something like, o yeah, so I played one hand bad and sucked out, so what, check out this graph: (insert graph)

Here I'll start:

Mine is a much bigger gap, I've lost way too much today to stupid stuff. But I don't even have a 1/4 of yours. If that keeps up WPN will lose someone else.
You would think I'm doing ok, you can look at all the chips won graphs you want but if you aren't making money it's pointless. NLHE looks even worse.

It's amazing that I can only win behind, rarely ahead or with the best draw.
This is a small sample in regards to any game but I'm stuck playing these or quitting since traffic in any other format is pointless unless I could play higher buy-in's. Sucks, there really isn't much to play if you play $5 and under of anything but cash. With JP's makes it more so. If I'm to read the bottom chart right, in theory I'm playing well but just in a bad run....who knows I guess. The other question is: Did manual change your winnings? None of them import right in PT4.

mmm graphs


Really this was all a ploy to get people to post graphs and hands.

I'm sure there's a dedicated thread in of the other forums but I haven't found it yet.

The winnings aren't properly tracked in any of the software as the multiplier isn't included in the HH file. Also PT subtracts the rake from the win so you'll have more that it says even ignoring multipliers.

That bottom graph is one X-axis and two Y-axes. I'm not even sure if that's a glitch in PT but it's definitely a weird thing, when you try to plot "prizes" with AIEV, and took me a few minutes to figure out when I first saw it. It can't plot Expected-$ so it puts the chips there and throws up another Y-axis.

Not sure I put much stock in a chip graph anyways. It's an illusion also depending on how high of multipliers a player has had. I do ok I guess but I've never had above a $16 and I got sucked out in both HU.

Is someone better because they won the multipliers or because they are consistently good? Of course you can see the spikes on a winnings chart but where would it show up on a chips chart? I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it would.
From a personal standpoint I don't care if your ROI is 50% and mine is -15%, If I played well then I can't control much.

Not really giving much away. So you know I have a -ROI for some reason.
Probably going to quit soon anyways. This site has gone all in on Jackpot poker and when I thought things couldn't get worse, they do. Lost half my BR to mostly runner runner 1 pairs tonight.

The thing is I don't think it's negative. Unless today/yesterday you lost a bunch, and/or the NLHE is brutal, according to those graphs you're up. Remember the money tally is subtracting the "rake" and isn't factoring in multipliers. Unless I'm missing something you're doing fine. I mean you're running under AIcEV but it the lines are nicely converging compared to that downswing in the middle.

Am I missing something?

one of the people getting ALL THE EV

This is tonight, not sure I know how to play poker anymore, nothing is working. Must be they don't like me speaking my mind on here.

fwiw since the games came back up my pt doesnt pick up the buyins anymore

All I can see is that WPN changed the buyin in the HH to have no decimals (e.g., was $10.00 and now it's $10), which seems to not be anticipated in PT4.

Tell pokecancer to incorporate these features into Table Tamer, I think it won't take him much time. I'd try to write such a script myself but I'm far less WPN-oriented these days, need to concentrate on upgrading the script for my main grind site.

Max Cut can do it as well, though.

TableTamer handles the registration popups. Every so often it'll miss one, but it does a good job overall.

You had a 100 game downswing. Standard. Keep going!

$4K jackpot dropped http://www.americascardroom.eu/poker...=1&***********

Derail I know but that UI would be a great mod...Unless ACR has that racetrack.

So wtf is going on with the hand histories?

Is this a PT problem or WPN problem?

WPN, they don't write the full results into he HH and thus has already previously been a problem with regular SNG as well.

Tyty but I'm not talking about that current issue; the NEW issue is the jackpots are recording as MTTs, which seems to have started a couple hours ago. Lol.

You can manually edit them but still I'm wondering whats going on.