well, you are def. a winning $40s reg now if there was any doubt

Wow! Congratulations cdfj! Also, congratulations to ambiance and madman1024!

wow grats, what were the payouts on the 2500x $40?

Congrats!

They agreed to the deal payouts of 40K/30K/30K

I'm sure people that read this will just cry I'm not a winner but really I am. I play these when no SNG are going, man are these crazy fish fests, which would be great other than the fact that after the flop they keep hitting 1 and 2 outers nonstop and I mean nonstop. It seems I have to suck out myself just to win a hand. I'm well aware of the ups and downs, but there is either something wrong with the setup or I'm losing my mind.

The odds of a lot of these hands are 1-5% to win at the river and I get pounded, while it happens in other hyper's not to this effect. These are on steroids.

These are really a great option for action junkies, but I think they do ruin poker like some people claim. IMO not many players that do not care about profit is going to sit and wait for even a normal hyper when they can play every few seconds.

I predict the site will be mostly dead in the SNG/On Demand area May 26th because reg SNG's won't get the volume that JP's produce, so "poker" is turning into a slot machine. I'm sure it's good money for WPN (they have no "variance"), and we all will be forced to play them if no one wants to play anything else.

Which is no good for
#1. People have different strongpoint, hence the reason we have so many types of poker.
#2. Unless you can hit the bad odds huge JP it's -ev to play on $4 Table Sng's for a $6 prize pool.
#3 I would go broke so fast playing them if I wasn't a decent player and yet playing 200 over the last few days i'm flat even with the HUGE downswings. Not sure how it's great for anyone if people come on deposit $500 and go broke in a few days...If people are going keep depositing that fast, that's a little scary from the human side of it, wasting that much money for not much entertainment.

One of the big things the government is using as a reason to ban poker in the U.S. is online poker isn't responsible gambling, as much as I think that's fluff this kind of "Poker" breeds those people who can't control themselves.

Assuming RNG is even random I understand the swings and things of poker. But playing bingo when you are way ahead seems like mostly luck. IMO the faster the game is the less skill it takes to win for months even if you are way better. The true statement of the house wins is pretty true in this case, I hope I'm wrong and people with still play other things.

I miss a site that focuses on making a easy going site that anyone can get on play any game they want and not be pushed into one thing or the other. Take the rake, I have no issue with paying rake at a reasonable level, it has to be done to fund the site.

I notice a drop off in sit n go,s also..

The tournament,s have gotten more traffic with the g.t d. And are starting more often then a year ago.

I actually play some j.p... I like slots but there too expensive and not enough payout. Stop playing slot s all together, even live..

The j.p. is okay when you want to have silly fun but they could tweak the 5k jackpot. The odds are really just a bit too much..

But yes, the on demand tournaments and sit n go have suffered..

It seems so to me, of course I would have to have internal numbers to know for sure.
What do you mean "tweak the 5k"? If they are making money and people are playing I doubt they tweak anything.

I'm just being altruistic..

It's good for the there bottom line and it's getting traffic.

No business would change that, why would they!

Once again I'm just being altruistic. If they were too fair then the tournament tables would empty out.

Even as a rec player, I don't consider that poker. Just silly fun.

riggies itt, my allin EV graph and my net chips won graph are quite similar after 52k hands of JP sng. i am in fact running a small amount ahead of expectation so im pry one of those fishies hitting the 1 - 5 percenters

Sorry, having a hard time understanding. Are you trying to say cause your 52k hands seems normal so you must be a fish, or are you saying you welcome the fish in these?

While there is strategy, I'm not saying there isn't but you rely heavy on how you run in these....at least in the short term. Push/Fold is about all you can do unless you can play small ball early, which most of these they don't have small ball even with 25bb to start. PLO is even worse, I do not konw if you are playing NLHE or PLO....which could make a huge diff. Neither would I have the Bankroll to go on a 30buy-in downswing.

I was already down 15 out of 16 buy-ins and I think all but one I was way ahead all in post flop. I have a much smaller sample so it doesn't mean much long term, but not sure I can afford to find out. That is no one's else's problem, but you would think they would have made a $1 and a $5. You go from needing a decent bankroll to a high bankroll.....these are not like normal hyper's.

This is my opinion based how these things play, take it how you will. I've know many playing on any site I go that makes really bad call on a regular basis and yet they still win long term, it baffles me. I've looked up several "fish" playing these and somehow they are somewhat even after playing a few hundred. If it's truly random not sure in the long run how people win making bad calls but they do. I think of some PS pro's.

Two things:

1. That's sad if it's true.
2. Why wouldn't everyone play on a fair site?

If you don't want to play on a fair site, I don't know where to start.

Even sitting here now typing on 2+2 because the SNG's are dead...1 buy-in.

As I stated months ago these will leave all other formats gasping for air

I also said husng will all but die as well

If a rep would indulge me with husng traffic numbers pre to post jackpot I am sure the numbers will confirm

Although the number of players pre to post and traffic in general prob has increased

But still a game type that players were profiting from is now dead and the long term verdict for profitability in jps is still out

It was always said husng don't need a promo
I think it may be time

For years I was easily top five in husng volume
I am living proof as I have literally played two husngs since jps and that was by accident as the new reg button was misclicked

In general though the bs I have had to deal with for a cash out option has made me not want to play as much

It will be weeks before I can cash via debit
A claim to fame from wpn has been easy cheap cashouts that is no longer true at all

So any player griping about wpn caring only about bottom line is not that out of line

IDK could be the nice weather after long winter but poker is just meh to me right now

And you only care how much and how fast you can shovel your!! Money?

So w.p.n is acting like you and you find that uncomfortable, how do you think the rest of us feel about you.

Do I wish they didn't exist? Yes

Are they hurting sit n go,s while is all collusion anyway? Yes

Was it a smart business move on there part? He'll yea

Do I care what grinders think? No

For some reason , bonus whoring , can't cash out enough, selfish grinders who don't give a hoot about anyone else and have a sense of entitlement take ing advantage and trying to stack all the chips in there favor think??

He'll no, they rationalize there selfishness and cry like a river when other people tell them "your the one that's too greedy". Grinders are Hippocrates and parasiticle by nature. Who cares when they complain.

Without regular customers you don't have a poker site....look at Merge. I don't know how to comment about being greedy, if you have a job you aren't in it for the fun of it. You do a job to make money, for people that do it with poker, how is it any different?

This attitude that people have, certain people are just too rich and therefore are greedy and need to share it with other people.

I'd like an answer as to how anyone that grinds is a "hypocrite", which is what I assume you meant. Hippocrates isn't a bad thing, It's a name of a doctor. I didn't know poker players were the father of medicine. There are dictionaries you can look up when you don't know a word. I'm not the best at English trust me, but put a little thought into.

This thread is getting derailed.

You are stuck in the past, pre black Friday..

Deflected and redirect by saying too rich..

I didn't say too rich I said parasiticle in nature and hurting the online sites.. they are all trying to push grinders away without actually being too! Obviously about it..

I make the same arguments that many better and smarter then me make..

It's has become to the point it's self evident, period......

You aren't making any points man, who dictates being stuck in the past and how the future will be judged? You? Truth is truth no matter what times you live in. At least in my country we are suppose to have the right "to the pursuit of happiness".

Implying that people are parasites because they grind a poker game for money is extremely close minding and pretty sad( assuming they aren't cheating). The only point I could see is the massive use of all the software, even to the point of telling you every "correct" play in a live setting. That to me will ruin the game, not the fact that someone spends 20+ hours a week grinding games. I mean how much skill does it take to follow what an in game program tells you to do?

Just to be clear I've never played poker as a 100% income, I've just used it to pay for a lot of NEEDED things in my life that I otherwise couldn't do on my regular work salary.

Granted, I am being over the top but I truly understand why sites are trying to nudge out the ubber aggressive winners and applaud there actions.

You made a great point, those computer programs will TOTALLY screw up the game..

does anyone how to get my pt4 to actually stay in the same spot every time? i dont see the option anywhere to set my seat on wpn or pt4, can just set it for 2-4-6 etc

Kinda off topic but you can save the layout on screen thru the PT4 menu when you have it up.

Preferred layout for PT4 is: Configure/Sites&import
For WPN it's: Options/Table and the Preferred seat tab

Is there any tracking software that works properly with the prizepool for these?

why is there no o8 jackpot tables? add $2, $10, and $40 tables for o8, me love you long time

o8 lovers speak up nao kthx

No. The hand history doesn't provide the prize information. Once they get the HH updated to provide this all tracking software will be able to work properly with it.

All software hud,s and bots should not 've allowed..

Poker stars and bovada are having there players start to really complain about it..

Even the reg,s on bovada are complaining about bots and software..

Poker stars flat out admited . They use bots and software but since a "Human" actually makes the click and the final decision(ha,ha,wink,wink) that it's not considered a bot and there going to continue..

The website that straight out out laws that stuff will be a head of the game as far as credibility..