I think it is 13% of total cash prizepool capped at $20k is for first.

This concerns me:

"25% of the overall jackpot will be taken to the reseed of the next Sit & Crush competition's jackpot."

Thats how it is in the beast too. So essentially the 25k they use to start the promo is not gona be awarded if hits 100k bc it will go to seed the next one. It is a good idea bc if it were zero at next month, would be hard to get people playing.

Yeah. I agree with everything you said. I just think it's really misleading to post 25k added in the other thread but only in thet erms and conditions do they list that the extra 25k added can be taken away to seed subsequent months.

Well they projected the first month to hit about 60k with the added prizepool. So 15k will go to seed the next one and 10k will still be free overlay in this one. And the cash prize pool will be about $42k since they giving out the Seats as well to the LSOP.

I am not sure if everyones cash prize is cut by 25% to reseed the next one, or if it is taken out automatically.

In this sponosored article on Poker Fuse http://pokerfuse.com/sposts/569/
“This new progressive race has not yet been named but our goal is to involve our players in this process and create the type of incentives that will make playing somewhere else seem like a horrible call. We expect the first month to exceed $60,000 in prizes”, continued Harris.

I think you are reading between lines that arent there. We didnt add $25,000 so if it gets to $100,000 we will never be giving it away. We could start it with any figure lower and it wont benefit the players at all. Originally it was going to start with $10,000 but it was decided at a much larger amount to benefit you guys.

If it started at 0 it still should have the same effect. Ive said many times i used to grind SNG's. If i was still playing i would 100% be grinding WPN. It does not matter if you come 1st, 2nd etc. Anything you receive back is directly from us. Plus you will have the chance to win money through the tournaments that we will be giving tickets away to. I used to play around 50 Sng's a day. (not many) but if i did that on wpn and broke even or won a little, if i got back lets say $1000 + what ever bonus your on + a chance to win a package or cash in a tournament, what more can you really want?

Haha we are not saying that it isn't a great promotion, just some people are confused on when the 25% to reseed the next one gets taken out. Is it like when u pay the $1 in rake .25 goes to beast and 0.18 goes to current prizepool and 0.06 is the reseed?

That would be a pretty good structure of it, bc if someone cashes for like $100 and boom gets $75, they would be mad bc they did not understand the rules. So to avoid massive emails to support and confusion, the reseed should be taken out before so the Payout on the Leaderboard is the actual amount player will get. Even tho either way the player gets the same amount, if the funds are taken out earlier, it will cause less confusion for newer players.

Nobody is complaining about the promo. Pretty much what imightbluff said. It's just a bit misleading. I expected there to be 25k overlay in the jackpot regardless of the prize pool. It's just the way it was worded that makes it feel like there is added value that isn't there now. It doesn't mean it's not already crazy good value to begin with, especially if you're churning though a bonus etc.

Winning_TD,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not actually a freeroll correct? You say it is 100% money from you guys, but I read somewhere (can't find it now) that you are taking money out of the rake. If that is the case how is it a freeroll because before I got 35% of 100% of my rake. Now I'll be getting 35% of 90%, or w/e the equivalent % is? I'm sure if I play enough I will more than make up for the difference, but if this is the case it's misleading saying it's a 100% freeroll, because it isn't.

I also have a concern about the payouts being like The Beast. Let's use the October Beast as an example of how ******ed the payouts are. 1st place was $10,630, 10th was $1,594.50, or 15% of what 1st got. 15% of what 10th got was 28th (not exact, but as close as there was) for $236.89. So, 9 spots from 1st-10th and 18 spots from 10th-28th for the same %. I know having a big 1st place looks good and all, but like The Beast, the same person or a few of the same people are going to win it every month so why not have a more even pay out? Why should you finish in the top 10 and get 85% less of what 1st place gets?

Especially when you consider that 1st place was 46,521 points and 10th was 25,053. 10th got 54% of the points 1st did and 15% of the money.

Not sure my example made sense, but if you just skip to the bold it puts it in perspective.

I agree with all of this except I wouldn't call it misleading. I'd call it lying.

*it would be 35% of 75% that you'd be getting in rakeback

Ouch, so losing $8.75 in rakeback for every $100 raked. Doing a rough estimate of what I'll rake based on my goal # of SNGs (providing I can even get enough going) I'd rake $2,000 for the month. Without the 25% tax I'd get $700 back and with it I'd get $525 back so I need to at least cash for $175 to break even on what I'd be getting anyway. That doesn't seem too hard since I'm going to be putting in a lot of volume, but if it's set up like The Beast payout there will be people losing money to the promotion still. Not to mention I'm on 35% and not the normal 27%.

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They were making 70c/$1 raked donks now their profit is cut by 30% so we can have a sng race. They are now only making 70c so they are still giving you your 30% rb on what you paid.

The whole freeroll part is that they are losing money per sng. They could have increased the rake to accommodate the race but they didn't bc there would be more bit chin g, so they took the loss in hopes of driving up sng traffic. So their 30% loss on each sng will increase overall profit bc of the significant volume increase.

You danks with 27% rb if you play 80h in the month rake like $1000 will get way over 27% per $1 contributed. So who wins? You do and the site.

Who is the loser? Well the people that are losing now with their rb. So same people win n losers just lose 6% more money per sng.

They are not forcing you to play, if you like sngs they freerolling you more rb. Stop crying n deposit on lock poker if you want 100% rb and gl with your cash outs

If you guys would take your head out of your as, you would realize how much of a freeroll it is. It has absolutely zero negative effects.

It increases amount of sngs that load.
It increases rakeback to anyone that pays sngs on the reg.

Just bc top grinders get rewarded more doesn't change anyone's profitability. They would still make more money than you, you just wouldn't see it in terms of how much more they play. And your jealousy of their efforts n skill to make it to the top kills your inflated ego.

Nothing worthwhile comes easy. Winning $5k in a month shouldn't be easy...

I will be in the top 10 minimum and think the payouts should be less top heavy. And it isn't a freeroll. It's a FANTASTIC promotion, but not a freeroll. That's fine..... but it shouldn't be advertised as a freeroll if it isn't.

To me freeroll= the site is paying for it. Sure, they aren't charging more, but they are actually taking money that most people were getting back weekly. That won't effect me or anyone putting in significant volume, but it will effect some people. I just don't get the point in making a misleading claim like "freeroll". Just say what it is.

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lol you're an idiot. Anyone with half a brain can tell it was 110% the same people/a buddy.

Says the guy starting out his sentences with a lowercase letter. =/

just wow

This is true. They are referring to the promotion as a freeroll, not the sitngos as freerolls.

How are we still considering this promotion as a freeroll? For people who don't take advantage of RB or the VIP program then sure, it's a freeroll. The money isn't coming from a "promotional fund" it is coming from the rake fees, which is awesome, but some people get a % of the rake back. Now that % is less. If there was no rakeback or VIP and they took it out of the fees it'd be a freeroll, but that isn't the world we live in. Players who play casually, but not enough to cash the promotion, lose money they would have otherwise gotten back. Even if that is a small % of people it still makes it NOT a freeroll. Ducy?

Can we please move on and call this what it is? An awesome promotion that is going to help the SNG's and the entire site. It is a good enough promotion as it stands, there is no need to falsely call it a freeroll.

And before someone brings up the "free $25K added", well how free is it? Where did the BBJ go that had almost $16K left in it? Seems to me it got rolled into this promotion... again not a bad thing, but certainly not free because we paid for it.

Its a freeroll because everyone has the option to play without paying extra fees to win. If you dont take advantadge and end up losing rb % (i dont even know if this is true because im a math noob) then that is your own personal loss. But are you really losing? say you lose a few % points on your rakeback in december, then january you decide to grind and end up with 50% rakeback- what did you lose? nothing. long term this is an awesome promotion if you decide to take advantage of it.

Its simple, this promotion is a freeroll as long as you make it one. People could however sit on the sidelines aswell and not gain anything.