This is what i would give anything to see. A place where any grinder 6max, 9max etc can come and play and get everything they need from one site.

HUSNGs are ******ed. Why not have a separate leaderboard for them though?

THIS is a promo!

I hope it works out great for everyone.

Very interesting. I miss playing SnG this may be the time to start. I like it no added fees and a reason to play. Good job Winning I think overall this is spot on!

You've got a fulltime grinder that's very interested... I'll probably be depositing and trying to get some action going come december... especially considering how bad merge is f***ing in their sng promo by limiting me to 10 tables without notice!

while i am a big fan of this promotion, especially compared to the disaster that is the beast, thoughts:

1. 5 points per dollar of rake is bad. really really really REALLY bad. each level should not be getting double the previous one because while it's true high stake sngs won't go off with the same frequency of low stake, medium stakes almost certainly will. a large segment of the players who don't play at the optimal buyin level per these rules will be shut out of the leaderboard which pretty much defeats the purpose. of course you obviously don't want the intervals to be so small that there's no incentive to play the higher levels, you don't want the disparity to be that wide either

2. why isn't this being run on 2 week intervals same as the beast?

id love to deposit and play this but while just discussing his play at BCP because i to was interested; this is what a friend said:
BCP software
is horrible
the worste I have ever used i think
you cant ****ing find tournaments in the lobby
thye are completely disordered
and dont sort properly
when you disconnect, you cant find your tables again
you cant find tournament lobbies to see where the money is
you are constantly timed out

i cant deal with this, thing is in my play money trial runs i think the software looks top notch so i will try..

Yea the software is FAR from grinder friendly even with the new update. Hence the lack of ANY sng volume on wpn right now. Once they get some features geared towards mass tablers the sng volume with pick up...hopefully this promotion is the start of it all. I'm sure once they see a group of us that they don't want to lose playing sngs they will listen to our software requests.

Hopefully this doesnt attract more forum nits.

As a sng player, I am super stoked by this and look forward to particpating.

To those complaing, you guys are complaining about them taking less rake and giving more back to us? You obviously have an ulterior motive.

Ill be there. 100%. THANK YOU WPN for working hard to give back to the players.

(this is all coming from someone who was about to leave the site completely when all those crashes were happening and I didnt get a chip-chop, so it should feel sweet having me say this)

:-) Ok come December we have got other software updates coming to run along side this promo. The way the lobby is set is going to be different to make life easier. Similar to stars. Auto open tables again after disconnecting is coming.

I think there should definitely be different tiers for this. It is going to be very hard for micro players to compete with midstakes players. Micro players will have to play ten or twenty times as many games to be competitive. And if the promo is successful at all, you could see a couple dozen mid stakes sngs run each day, and the grinders could play them all.. That would immediately push out the micro players.

IMO tiers by stake would suck, it would split up the prize pool. a juicy prizepool is what this promo revolves around, atleast in my eyes. Plus, micros run more often than high stakes so micro players have a chance to earn points during the times high stakes players are waiting for games.

this promo is perfect and im excited to take part. whoever wants to win bad enough will win. nothing is handed out, if you wanna win GRIND HARD

agree 100% with all this

by not tiering the promotion you're creating a complete no win scenario where either micro sng players are getting shutout (the current setup), or midstake sngs aren't remotely worth playing (if the point system were leveled (see: beast making 25 NL the game of choice)

the only sensible thing to do is to break it up to low stake, mid stake and high stake. anything else is just open to alienating a subset of the player base

It's going to be a huge disadvantage for micro players to be paying 10 to 20 times less rake than midstakes guys. Especially if the promo is at all successful and midstakes action picks up.

it is tiered. those who do the most rake have the best chance of placing highly, those that do not rake much will place poorly. it's a promo, it's how they work. when you sign up through an affiliate and there is a rake race promo for doing so, do they split the prize pool? no, higher stakes players see the bulk of the rewards, how it should be. your finish position will be reflected by your play, exactly how it should be.

Cool... so how many accounts will you be running for this promo

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...-play-1374416/

How is it a no win scenario? Your not being raked more by participating in this promo. If you don't believe you have a chance of placing high or at all due to playing only micro sngs than don't bother trying to kill yourself by playing more tables than your used to. You still have the opportunity to make money in this promo, it just might not come from the Promo prizepool. Take advantage over the players who are multi-tabling themselves to sleep. I'm sure there will be more players playing sngs due to this promo and you'll be able to play more sngs and play against a larger player pool which equals more opportunity(most likely more $$) for you if your a good enough player. This isn't like the Beast were your paying into it with no return unless you grind your brain into mush.

It's also prohibited by Merge and Skillbet... both of which you have proven to multi-account at... so what's your point? And you multi accounted on 2p2 after your Gummybearz account was banned... does anyone else see the pattern here?

+1 to a separate husng leaderboard like carbon has. zapzer is not in the minority here. There was no leaderboard for this month because of this big one that was coming and it comes and completely ignores husngs

There are a ton of guys who would gladly put in way more volume (including casual players) if there were two leaderboards.




Also completely unrelated, but you seem to be very willing to listen to ideas and experiment with strategies to get more traffic. Have you thought of doing something like the golden sng promotion stars has? It would get way more casual players to play sngs for sure:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/prom...ration/golden/

Thanks for listening!

I agree with anything that brings more non-nits to the SNGS.^^

I am honestly so excited for this. I will be keeping my business here for a long time if This promo works out well.

You and me both sir

in terms of actively attempting to win this promotion without tiers you're either SOL as a micro player or SOL as a mid stakes player. as currently structured it's the former. in either case, the influx of players will result in a number of regs attempting to win this promotion, not just play sngs because they're offered. to this end while the volume of mid stakes sng will increase exponentially while this promotion is being run, whatever increase in the immediate future there will be of low to microstakes sngs run will taper off as these players realize they have no chance of catching up making a fraction of the points the mid stakes players do

no win scenario? c'mon...

this is a tremendous promo for SnG players. in addition to the VIP/rakeback that is being paid out, there'll be an extra 25% of the rake paid back out at no cost to any player. that's quite exceptional and I suspect that it will do exactly what WPN wants - attract the SnG crowd.

in the Beast, everyone is paying in an equal amount regardless of stake. thus a 25nl player and a 400nl player receive equal points for their volume. this isn't true of the upcoming SnG promo - the points are awarded proportional to the fees a player pays with those paying higher fees receiving higher points - that's sort of a no-brainer for a network funded promo.

the problem with the Beast is simply that the payout structure puts a hefty tax on a large percentage of the high-volume players paying into it. That isn't an issue with the SnG promo - the funding for the promo comes from WPN funds.

if you're a SnG player, you're likely going to benefit directly from some non-zero$ payout at the end and benefit from increased available SnGs to play.


honestly, saying it's a "no-win scenario" and attacking a promo that says 'we're going to take a quarter of our profits and give them out to you' hurts the credibility of the forum.

it's a no-lose scenario.

After a series of text messages regarding this promotion, lemme see if I can explain this a little better...


Since:
- The prize pool is a % of the rake
And:
- Your points are awarded based on your rake
And:
- Your position on the leaderboard is based on your points
Then:
- Your payout on the leaderboard is directly correlated to your contribution.
- This holds whether you take 1st place or 100th place, whether tiered or not tiered.


And any payout you get is profit as you are paying nothing additional to participate in the promotion.


If the complaint is that 1st place might achieve a higher % return then, say 10th place...I don't know what to tell you - that's how competitions work...

Mirage ty sir. I couldnt of put it better myself :-)