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09-25-2014 , 05:01 PM
I will be using this thread to post suspicious activity and invite others to do the same as well.

digiwhale555 isolates tone1988 on bubble
    WPN, $10 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31017491

    SB: 335 (1.1 bb)
    Hero (BB): 1,950 (6.5 bb)
    CO: 5,720 (19.1 bb)
    BTN: 995 (3.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 7
    CO raises to 600, BTN folds, SB calls 160 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Flop: (1,020) J 5 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (1,020) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (1,020) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,020 pot
    Final Board: J 5 4 4 A
    SB showed A 6 and won 1,020 (685 net)
    CO showed J 9 and lost (-335 net)



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    digiwhale555 limps to tone1988 bvb then chip dumps after flopping air against tone1988's TP.
      WPN, $10 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31017511

      CO: 995 (3.3 bb)
      Hero (BTN): 1,450 (4.8 bb)
      SB: 5,610 (18.7 bb)
      BB: 945 (3.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
      2 folds, SB completes, BB checks

      Flop: (700) Q 8 2 (2 players)
      SB bets 300, BB raises to 620 and is all-in, SB calls 320

      Turn: (1,940) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (1,940) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 1,940 pot
      Final Board: Q 8 2 5 7
      SB showed J 9 and lost (-945 net)
      BB showed 3 Q and won 1,940 (995 net)



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      Using the 2p2 HH converter for now since I forgot the other methods of posting HHs, so I apologize in advance that the names aren't shown.
      09-25-2014 , 05:22 PM
      these hands dont really prove much if anything.

      hand 1 he's most likely raising to ensure sb being all in if he wants to play the hand.

      hand 2 isnt a chip dump, he donk bet the flop with a gutshot, then called the short stacks all in. if he folded then yea chip dump, but he didnt.

      OP your best option (as with all collusion cases) is to just email security. they can accomplish alot more than this thread can. They can investigate the history between the two accounts where as this thread can only speculate. The downside is if these players are truly not colluding (after security does their due diligence) then all this thread has done is tarnish the names of said players.
      09-25-2014 , 05:24 PM
      After reviewing the hands i dont see too much wrong here. Any hands you guys post i will be happy to look at and if i suspect any form of collusion i will act upon it.
      09-25-2014 , 05:38 PM
      TD ca you respond in the thread regarding the bigluckygus accounts please
      09-25-2014 , 06:05 PM
      HA, both look plenty fair to me. why not raise as the big stack?? its no obligation for him to try ending the sng b letting all 4 players see a flop and check down. if sb folds he is winning the pot 100% of the time as BB should fold AA behind.

      hand 2 hes a donk for not shoving pre but the flop lead with a gutty and two overs to the middle card is far from a collusion, if it was collusion he would have folded to the raise
      09-25-2014 , 06:21 PM
      OP is always screaming "collusion" just check his previous post including some in the bovada thread. lol. he has yet to post solid evidence.
      09-25-2014 , 06:36 PM
      These hands really don't show anything. But even if they did, strange things happen in DONs that simply can't be explained.

      Recently, I was on the bubble in a DON (at Merge). The BB was at 250. I had 270 chips left in the small blind. It folded to me, I went all in with garbage. The BB, who was the chip leader, folded even though he only had to call 20 chips. I can't explain why he did that. By the time the bubble broke, I was the new chip leader. Everyone at the table must have been thinking collusion even though there wasn't any.

      My point is that to really find collusion takes more than just a couple of hands. A pattern needs to be established because, as I said, strange things happen in DONs.
      09-25-2014 , 07:35 PM
      the fact that this clown amassed 5700 chips likely means he is not playing with a strategy that is even close to being a descent don strategy. If he's not smart enough to play with a good don strategy, he is not smart enough to collude.
      09-25-2014 , 08:04 PM
      im glad u are watching for it though OP, i hate 6 max dons.

      i once was....
      09-25-2014 , 09:19 PM
      5 star fred
      10-10-2014 , 05:16 AM
      More chip dumping. Prior to this Thaddeus was playing aggressive. Right after this hand he began limping to bruceX then stacking off with awful hands to double him up.

      Game started at: 2014/10/10 5:12:40
      Game ID: 323131222 100/200 $10 Double or Nothing Turbo - 6 Players, Table 1 (Hold'em)
      Seat 3 is the button
      Seat 1: bruceX (3265).
      Seat 3: Cyal8erloser (1315).
      Seat 4: ThaddeusGuru (3780).
      Seat 5: ibaheathen (640).
      Player ThaddeusGuru has small blind (100)
      Player ibaheathen has big blind (200)
      Player ThaddeusGuru received a card.
      Player ThaddeusGuru received a card.
      Player ibaheathen received a card.
      Player ibaheathen received a card.
      Player bruceX received a card.
      Player bruceX received a card.
      Player Cyal8erloser received card: [Qd]
      Player Cyal8erloser received card: [Kd]
      Player bruceX folds
      Player Cyal8erloser folds
      Player ThaddeusGuru calls (100)
      Player ibaheathen allin (440)
      Player ThaddeusGuru folds
      Uncalled bet (440) returned to ibaheathen
      Player ibaheathen mucks cards
      ------ Summary ------
      Pot: 400. Rake 0
      Player bruceX does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
      Player Cyal8erloser does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
      Player ThaddeusGuru does not show cards.Bets: 200. Collects: 0. Loses: 200.
      *Player ibaheathen mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 200. Collects: 400. Wins: 200.
      Game ended at: 2014/10/10 5:13:3

      Last edited by Cyal8rloser; 10-10-2014 at 05:25 AM.
      10-10-2014 , 09:05 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Cyal8rloser
      More chip dumping. Prior to this Thaddeus was playing aggressive. Right after this hand he began limping to bruceX then stacking off with awful hands to double him up.
      doesnt look like chip dumping, short stack had 640 chips. blinds 100-200, small blind limps, big blind shorty shoves, small blind folds. pretty standard. you say he was stacking off with awful hands, he didnt do that here nor did he raise fold and dump more chips. to be honest, this thread really serves no purpose, your best option in these cases, as with all potential collusion cases, is contacting support directly and letting security take care of it.

      i just have to ask though, do you have a guilty conscious? it seems like 90% of your post in bovadas thread or here is about somebody you think is colluding and 9 times out of 10 the evidence you post is always lacking a "smoking gun"

      http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...ammer-1195584/
      10-10-2014 , 01:42 PM
      Now we have a thread worth reading!
      10-10-2014 , 03:06 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Cyal8rloser
      More chip dumping. Prior to this Thaddeus was playing aggressive. Right after this hand he began limping to bruceX then stacking off with awful hands to double him up.

      Game started at: 2014/10/10 5:12:40
      Game ID: 323131222 100/200 $10 Double or Nothing Turbo - 6 Players, Table 1 (Hold'em)
      Seat 3 is the button
      Seat 1: bruceX (3265).
      Seat 3: Cyal8erloser (1315).
      Seat 4: ThaddeusGuru (3780).
      Seat 5: ibaheathen (640).
      Player ThaddeusGuru has small blind (100)
      Player ibaheathen has big blind (200)
      Player ThaddeusGuru received a card.
      Player ThaddeusGuru received a card.
      Player ibaheathen received a card.
      Player ibaheathen received a card.
      Player bruceX received a card.
      Player bruceX received a card.
      Player Cyal8erloser received card: [Qd]
      Player Cyal8erloser received card: [Kd]
      Player bruceX folds
      Player Cyal8erloser folds
      Player ThaddeusGuru calls (100)
      Player ibaheathen allin (440)
      Player ThaddeusGuru folds
      Uncalled bet (440) returned to ibaheathen
      Player ibaheathen mucks cards
      ------ Summary ------
      Pot: 400. Rake 0
      Player bruceX does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
      Player Cyal8erloser does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
      Player ThaddeusGuru does not show cards.Bets: 200. Collects: 0. Loses: 200.
      *Player ibaheathen mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 200. Collects: 400. Wins: 200.
      Game ended at: 2014/10/10 5:13:3
      After reviewing the HH.

      It is definately not collusion. I wont comment on the hand but it is not collusion.
      10-12-2014 , 06:29 PM
      the most suspicious thing in this thread is you open folding KQ on the button
      10-12-2014 , 07:05 PM
      I don't think that there is anything suspicious in those hands. But just generally speaking, 6max DONs are the most susceptible form of poker due the fact that 2 colluders make such a large proportion of the table, that the colluders are always going to be seated near each other, and because the satellite nature of DONs in general can make a single shady hand on the bubble greatly affect the outcome. I think that, for the sake of security, all sites should only offer 10max or multitable DONs.
      10-17-2014 , 05:11 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by mythrilfox
      the most suspicious thing in this thread is you open folding KQ on the button
      welcome to the don world
      10-19-2014 , 03:28 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by JayDowdle
      welcome to the don world
      Yep, ICM is a bitch.
      10-19-2014 , 04:27 PM
      I know I've been quick to jump the gun on this kind of stuff, but this is as blatant as it gets. This is the most damning evidence you can find.

      Game started at: 2014/10/19 16:10:57
      Game ID: 325950400 100/200 $10 Double or Nothing Turbo - 6 Players, Table 1 (Hold'em)
      Seat 3 is the button
      Seat 2: HUEVOLVER (4600).
      Seat 3: Cyal8erloser (1580).
      Seat 4: jimmykac (50).
      Seat 6: corsario86 (2770).
      Player jimmykac ante (25)
      Player corsario86 ante (25)
      Player HUEVOLVER ante (25)
      Player Cyal8erloser ante (25)
      Player jimmykac allin (25)
      Player corsario86 has big blind (200)
      Player corsario86 received a card.
      Player corsario86 received a card.
      Player HUEVOLVER received a card.
      Player HUEVOLVER received a card.
      Player Cyal8erloser received card: [Kc]
      Player Cyal8erloser received card: [4c]
      Player jimmykac received a card.
      Player jimmykac received a card.
      Player HUEVOLVER raises (800)
      Player Cyal8erloser folds
      Player corsario86 folds
      Uncalled bet (600) returned to HUEVOLVER
      *** FLOP ***: [6s 6c 8d]
      *** TURN ***: [6s 6c 8d] [9h]
      *** RIVER ***: [6s 6c 8d 9h] [10d]
      ------ Summary ------
      Pot: 525. Rake 0
      Board: [6s 6c 8d 9h 10d]
      *Player HUEVOLVER shows: One pair of 6s [2h 5c]. Bets: 225. Collects: 350. Wins: 125.
      Player Cyal8erloser does not show cards.Bets: 25. Collects: 0. Loses: 25.
      *Player jimmykac shows: One pair of 6s (kicker J) [4d Jh]. Bets: 50. Collects: 175. Wins: 125.
      Player corsario86 does not show cards.Bets: 225. Collects: 0. Loses: 225.
      Game ended at: 2014/10/19 16:11:27


      Game started at: 2014/10/19 16:11:53
      Game ID: 325950675 100/200 $10 Double or Nothing Turbo - 6 Players, Table 1 (Hold'em)
      Seat 6 is the button
      Seat 2: HUEVOLVER (5000).
      Seat 3: Cyal8erloser (1530).
      Seat 4: jimmykac (150).
      Seat 6: corsario86 (2320).
      Player HUEVOLVER ante (25)
      Player Cyal8erloser ante (25)
      Player jimmykac ante (25)
      Player corsario86 ante (25)
      Player HUEVOLVER has small blind (100)
      Player Cyal8erloser has big blind (200)
      Player HUEVOLVER received a card.
      Player HUEVOLVER received a card.
      Player Cyal8erloser received card: [Qc]
      Player Cyal8erloser received card: [Qs]
      Player jimmykac received a card.
      Player jimmykac received a card.
      Player corsario86 received a card.
      Player corsario86 received a card.
      Player jimmykac allin (125)
      Player corsario86 folds
      Player HUEVOLVER allin (4875)
      Player Cyal8erloser allin (1305)
      Uncalled bet (3470) returned to HUEVOLVER
      *** FLOP ***: [9d Js Qd]
      *** TURN ***: [9d Js Qd] [5d]
      *** RIVER ***: [9d Js Qd 5d] [3d]
      ------ Summary ------
      Pot: 3235. Rake 0
      Board: [9d Js Qd 5d 3d]
      *Player HUEVOLVER shows: Flush, K high [Jh Kd]. Bets: 1530. Collects: 2760. Wins: 1230.
      Player Cyal8erloser shows: Three Of Kind of Qs [Qc Qs]. Bets: 1530. Collects: 0. Loses: 1530.
      *Player jimmykac shows: Flush, A high [Ad 4s]. Bets: 150. Collects: 475. Wins: 325.
      Player corsario86 does not show cards.Bets: 25. Collects: 0. Loses: 25.
      Game ended at: 2014/10/19 16:12:29
      10-19-2014 , 07:55 PM
      LOL if you actually think those two are colluding.
      10-19-2014 , 08:42 PM
      hahaha those hands are actually funny though man you gotta realize he is big stack and trolling the fact you can never call there really but you called with qq when it should be an AA only spot (and aa would be technically wrong but its a don so its funny)
      10-19-2014 , 08:57 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Banned4lyfe
      LOL if you actually think those two are colluding.
      Show me an example of what you believe collusion is then. From now on when I have a big stack I will also chip dump to non-regs on the bubble just for the lulz.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by IHasTehBluff
      hahaha those hands are actually funny though man you gotta realize he is big stack and trolling the fact you can never call there really but you called with qq when it should be an AA only spot (and aa would be technically wrong but its a don so its funny)
      Normally it would be that type of spot, but this loser was going to chip dump to his buddy to the very end no doubt.

      Last edited by Cyal8rloser; 10-19-2014 at 09:02 PM.
      10-19-2014 , 10:00 PM
      Quote:
      you called with qq
      Missed that, LOL

      Send me the HH for that game and I'll show you multiple spots where they could have colluded/soft played but didn't.
      10-20-2014 , 01:58 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by IHasTehBluff
      hahaha those hands are actually funny though man you gotta realize he is big stack and trolling the fact you can never call there really but you called with qq when it should be an AA only spot (and aa would be technically wrong but its a don so its funny)
      Yeah, in that particular situation AA would have to be one of those really tough laydowns.
      10-20-2014 , 01:46 PM
      I hate seeing posts like this.

      In no way does any of this look like collusion.

            
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