I see your point and believe me, I've considered it. Of course it looks good on paper the way it went down but what if the money went the other way? Would I have posted the hand? Probably not, right?

Everyone here plays on WPN now so I don't want to out this guy's name on 2p2 but between his username and the fact that he called my 4x+ 3b preflop, I just couldn't see how this guy hit a set. Of course he could have, especially at 2nl. But he didn't.

As for your question: TT? I wouldn't do the same thing with no read on villain. Not on WPN. AK: Standard Cbet on that board. A/xxx? Same thing, standard cbet. Now, calling HIS shove? Do you mean if he had just shoved the flop (because he didn't, I check/raise shoved)? If that's the question then of course, I'd be folding anything...perhaps even the AA's themselves. Then I would be pretty positive he's a donk who called pre like that and hit his set. Move onto the next hand. Again, this is with absolutely no read as you see I had just sat down to the table and had 1 hand on villain.

Now, if you ask yourself what would you have done here if you were villain and had 0 hands on a guy who just sat down to the table and were dealt JJ - No way would you have wound up getting stacked. I think it's pretty obvious that either a whale just sat down at the table or I had AA. I timebanked the preflop 3b, too. I was practically begging him to shove. Then I check raise/shove the flop? No way do you call with JJ. The strange thing is that if I hit a set on the flop myself, I doubt I'd ever have gotten his stack.

Well, I don't shove unless I have the nuts. Playing for pennies is tough to explain out in poker logic.

I would have called with AA and reloaded a couple bucks if I lost. If I was playing a 10/20 game and some completely new and unknown player shoved like that, I would likely fold my aces there. Why put in thousands into a pot that you really have no idea what you are getting into? If you move the decimal point over in your hand and I have $260 exposed and someone shoves, assuming they are sitting with at least a full tray, so $1,740 on top? No, I don't think I would lay out 7 to save 1 in that scenario UNLESS I knew the player and their style.

As I've posted in other threads lately, I don't think a lot of ROW players understand just how tight you have to play in the US market to profit in the micros. Right, it's just a totally different approach than higher stakes since it's for pennies and the players are absolutely all over the place as far as skill/ranges/bankrolls. There's a tremendous amount of diversity in the players around those tables and a lot of variance as a result. Tightening your ranges is absolutely necessary to avoid simply swapping money back and forth with other regs and just paying off the house.

How do people play microstakes? What is the thrill of winning a $2 pot

You can just get a regular job and make more working part time to fuel playing atleast .10/.25

Masochism.

Well, it certainly isn't going to be the source of anyone attaining a lavish lifestyle, but it does give new players a chance to become familiar with the game. Although, I think one can make a very valid argument that penny poker really is not too similar to the real game.

I feel like a masochist every time I enter a game when I'm on a bad run.

I think you know the answer to this. It's called "bankroll". Players who can't beat 2NL certainly are just throwing money away if they buy into 25NL under rolled.

And now, tonight, it's as bad as it ever was. Players 7 tabling 6-max (come on), tables jammed up so table selection is out. The same players all sitting out at the same time and coming back at the same time. Blatant collusion, obvious house players, bots. It's just disgusting. This is @ 2NL with 10% taken out for THE BEEEEAST, which of course, I'll never qualify for.

When there's 4 and 5 people on the waiting list for every table there's just absolutely no reason to allow a bot to sit at 7 tables. I think 4 is plenty for the bot.

edit: I mentioned the word "screenshot" and within 15 seconds the bot was gone. Left all 7 tables immediately. GTFO. For the record, he was winning big at every table. All 7.

7 tables? Like ZOMG!!!!!!!!

Really though, if you're playing under 25NL you're wasting your time. Even if you're a crusher, rake is enormous and players are awful, so you're not going to learn much. Just save like $250 and start at $25NL. Eventually you'll run up some buy ins and until then it's not that hard to replace.

I don't really know what's wrong with some of you guys telling people to move up to 25NL from 2NL with 10 BI's. Nobody's stupid enough to listen to you. If it's simply NOT POSSIBLE to build a roll here by playing from 2NL on up, well clearly something's wrong with the site. You can do it on every other network in existence. Why not here? I think we know why.

And no - There's absolutely no reason to let someone play on that many tables. A 4 table cap, as is seen on other networks, would do just fine. If you can play 7 tables @ 2NL, you can play 3 @ 5NL. There's zero justification for making micros players pay into the Beast and then letting 25NL+ players come down to 2NL-10NL, monopolize all of the tables so nobody but them can play, and just farm beast points. That's all that's going on right now.

I was winning @ 5bb/100 so, of course, it was WPN's night to knock me back to even. Newsflash WPN: I'm never depositing another dime here. No matter what. If I lose 30+ BI's @ 2NL, obviously I'll know I was cheated and never deposit again. If I win enough to move up, I'll never deposit again. When I'm on mulitiple tables and go 3 hours without seeing a hand, it's pretty obvious that it's not "variance". "Variance" is like "well, God has a reason". It's bull****. You'll never see someone go 600+ hands in live poker without a pocket pair. Obviously. On WPN, happens anytime you start winning. You start tickling 5+ bb/100 and all of a sudden, you just never see a hand. It's happened too many times now to not be obvious. It's got me losing @ 32.17 bb/100 for the session and the biggest pot I lost was 32 cents. The majority of the money lost went to rake/beast. I don't understand why it's just ok for them to continue ripping off micros players. Every single one of us should just stop playing here, let it dry up completely, and play on Revolution (Horizon now) where you get 36% rakeback and there is no ridiculous garbage like "The BEEEEASSSSTT".

Still waiting for a response on why we're paying into it. We're not supposed to be anymore. I guess I'll have to start with the thread creating and multiple phone calls to WPN a day. That and I'm going to start video taping sessions and putting them up all over the web so people can see what goes on here. Send it to government agencies, individuals, and anyone who cares about poker.

edit: Of the top 25 hands dealt to me for the session not one of them caught any piece of the board. Fact. I'm winning @ anywhere from 30-50 bb/100 (yes) on other sites at higher stakes but, as is always the case, it's just impossible to make money here. Impossible. Looking through my database, nobody really is.

We still have no record anywhere of someone depositing, playing 2nl, and moving on up. Not one person ever on WPN? Isn't that pretty obvious, too?