Just curious. I haven't been around much lately and I played a bunch of HUSNG on BetOnline yesterday. It got me to thinking about my previous experiences on this site, as a micros player, and wondering if anything has changed.

Is anyone with a small micros roll, who plays 2NL through 25NL and comparable SNGs, making any money? Increasing their bankroll and moving up stakes?

Yeah man, people are definitely turning a profit or they wouldn't be playing. I play 6 max 25NL and am doing alright.

Out of curiosity - Did you start below 25NL and work your way up there?

Either way, thanks for the response. Just trying to gauge how brutal it is here now and how much time to invest on this server.

You can build in cash games fairly easy, especially 6max, HUSNGs there are people you need to avoid that are on all the time.

Although we did garner a couple of responses, it doesn't seem (as I suspected) that too many guys are building rolls on this network. That's why I asked in the first place. I know people who deposited larger amounts initially worked out well with bonus + rakeback, but micros depositors who start @ 2NL or 5NL seem to really have a tough time.

That's a pretty useless metric to judge by.

Well, that "metric", combined with the experiences myself and others have had on this network, does help to paint a clearer picture.

I mean, if you had built a roll from the micros on up here I'm sure you would have mentioned it yourself.

doesnt matter what other people do, if you suck you suck.

For example, the green smoothie deposited $200, started at 10nl and moved up to midstakes.

So conclusion is, if you are a winning player you wouldnt have to ask this, you would prove it yourself.

Pro tip- study and get better

Yeah man, the fact that plenty of people are making money vs harder competition doesn't say anything about the network...

Work harder or give up, but don't whine ffs.

I started with the free $5 they deposited in my account and now have a little over $300.

How much did you need to deposit in order to get the free $5.

I deposited $200 and have been playing 5nl. As long as you know what to look for and how to adjust you should be alright.

I've played years ago and went from 10nl to 50nl. Games are more aggressive now. Exploitative play is the answer IMO

Needed a quick rebuild. #lolsamplesize

(this was literally like 15 hours of play)

Thanks for the responses to this thread. It's encouraging to see that although this network is really difficult to win on, it's still doable.

I'm in a different position financially than I was the last few years while I was just starting to play online poker. I have disposable income now and losing BI's just won't mean the same thing that it did when I felt like I *had* to win. I play on BetOnline and Intertops, too so I guess I'll continue to do that and then use WPN as a proving/training ground to develop my game more.

I've never made a deposit on the site.

Yeah I had received a free $5 on both ACR & BCP. I donked off I think $60 I won from a combination of cash games, SnGs, & freerolls busting my BCP roll on spin n gos.

Then I think I donked another $140 at 50 NL on ACR. Degenerate gambling #1.
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2 NL is still a joke if you have discipline and don't spazz out. Only challenge is dealing with the rake. Looking at 10 BB/100 right now

Small sample size, but still EZ game at lowest level even with rake.

*EDIT* Oh yeah and I had donked off $100+ at 100 NL not 50 NL as mentioned above. Worst shot attempt ever...

I think the best way to build a roll at the micros is MTTs. They are so much softer than 10/25nl. Also rake is much less of an issue.

Even if you come from a cash background, the plays I see are just so horrendous, you're going to do well. The $3+0.3 $500 guaranteed at 12:00 as well as $3+0.3 $500 guaranteed at 9:45 are great value.

I've been playing 25NL cash on here have around 130k hands in the game. I have a solid understanding of GTO and used to play live 2/5 so my exploitable strategy is pretty decent as well; and I am convinced it is if not unbeatable (before rakeback) very very close to it. This is a result of the massive rake + the bots that fill half the tables 24/7. IMO the bots make these games UNFAIR to the average player looking to play cash, and it is even more unfair for hardworking players looking to make money because the bots, loser or winner, have the upper hand in the beast rake race which is where most of the money is to be made. I am only playing here because I have no other options in my area.

Gotta agree that tournaments are pretty much the best way to build a roll here. The lowest payout tier is also a lot easier to get in the snc rather than the beast.

Besides, getting to that final table is more fun anyway and the TD here puts in a lot of work changing the tourney schedule around for us.

This discussion is interesting to me. I've been more than vocal in the past about how ridiculous I found playing the micros on this network to be so I'm not going to rehash it and throw my 2 pennies into this hat. I was just curious as to what other people were experiencing today. Yeah though, the rake is such a killer that you have to beat the other players by such a BB/100 margin that it's absolute hell trying to make a profit. That's what I discovered. Along with mass collusion, bots, etc.

With the tournaments, however: You guys think the MTT's are even more profitable to play than the SNG's? The MTT's you're talking about take hours, no? And MTT's are supposed to have the most variance of any style of game. Admittedly, I haven't looked at the tournament structure here in a while but as far as I knew, it was totally useless to a micros player. What's changed?

MTT's wherever you play, live or online will always have the softest fields, as what they have to offer attracts the worst players.

I see. Where are you, anyway? Maryland?

If you can't beat 25NL on here you're just not very good, no offense. It's very beatable...

Yes but...we saw your graph. You're legitimately not the "average player", are you? You would be in the upper percentiles of the overall player base, no?

Not that this negates what you're saying but there's obviously a huge range of talent levels on this and every other network.