Sounds like a good time to celebrate w a milly GTD!

Beware the Ides of March

After reading this, my first reaction is that fish and rec players are going to get absolutely smashed by these games.

You analyze tournaments. So do I. So do a lot of good players. I have a list of favorite tournaments on my computer where I describe each tournament. Some of the features of the tournaments are in bold red (things that I don't like so much, like turbos, or buy-ins higher than I usually play. Bold black is things that I like about the tournament, like long periods of late registration (lots of small stacks to push around and pick off) or a lot of starting chips.

Fish and recs don't think like you and I do. They don't analyze tournaments. Those of us who can do tournament analysis might love these complicated formats, but wiping out a recreational player's bankroll too quickly is bad for the poker economy. It's a tough line to walk.

This is a very important point. When I played on PokerStars (back when Americans could do that) they accepted a lot of input. They even had a Players Committee. They added all kinds and types of SNGs. Regular speed, turbo and hypers. Buy-in levels at 10¢, $1, $3, $5, $10, $20, up to $100 and beyond. SNGs from 6-max, to 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 90, 180 and 360 players. Double or nothings, later replaced by 50/50s.

Despite the huge player pool, SNGs became so divided that players who were grinding traditional SNGs were having trouble filling a table quickly. If that can happen to a large international playing pool, it can certainly happen on any site currently available to US players.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana

Only 9 days left I am so excited! Seems like things are really ramping up and WPN is going to make the launch a really big production judging by the amount of promoting going on!

I'm sure it's coming. There's no reason to believe that ACR won't deliver on their expected timeline.

How bad will the rake be? I know I'm being pessimistic from the start.

I went to go purchase Collin Moshmans book online about sng 2.0 because I can't wait to play these games and can't seem to find it. Has anyone seen it for sale?

Ok, but will any of the tournaments freeze or crash? That's what really matters.

LOL

hey Winning_TD can we get a confirmation it's on schedule?

I am super excited for these games! Seems oddly quiet on all fronts though. No really noise coming from WPN or Colin Moshman about these games. In fact, other than when these debuted in the live version at Puna Canta I don't recall hearing anything about them other than the delays. I makes me wonder if possibly there is some dispute between the two parties.

Im guessing they dont check this thread much, or thats me just being naive and optimistic lol

they check/respond to what they want to

It's on schedule. Downtime will be on Wed. the 15th at 8:00 am ET.

Awesome, can't wait!

so what stakes are these going to run at?

$5 + $0.50
$10 + $1
$25 + $2.50
$50 + $5
$100 + $9

Any word on blind structure and level times?

That rake is a joke, right?

If these are regspeed they'll never run because they're regspeeds. If these are hypers, they'll never run because they're unbeatable.

Need more information, though. Curious to see what happens in a couple days.

That's the same rake that shows on a non turbo sngs and just slightly higher than their turbo sng rake. The big question is that rake + rake race fees included or does it not include rake race fees.

Yeah, that's why I said they're unbeatable if they're hypers. If they're regspeed they should still be beatable I would guess, but I wonder if they'll actually fire much. If they are a hyper structure though, it would prob cannibalize spin traffic, so that wouldn't make too much sense.

All the other buyins on the site have snc built into the rake, right? Don't see why these would be different.

Would love to see a slightly more aggressive turbo structure (something like below).

• 1000-chip start stack
• 5-minute levels
• big blind: 20, 30, 50, 80, 120, 170, 230, 300, ...
• 10% ante from level 1
• 5% rake

I dislike all of this except antes from start and well 5% rake . Pretty sure we'll see a normal turbo structure which will be a compromise based off of what sngs currently get traffic.