hey thanks for that graph. Okay so for the 5.50 sng buyin level. So buyin is 5 +5.50.


So assuming 1 green card is chosen only, then its basically a standard sng payout right?

If no green card is chosen, then $11 is taken out of the prize pool basically each time

So basically as long as 1 green card gets chosen, the payouts would be standard. But when you get 2 green cards, i see well its 2 more buyins added but its only 10 dollars and not 11 due to rake. How many players get paid when 2 green card, 3 green card etc gets chosen? Is it exactly like how it is in that video? I noticed that as more green card gets chosen more players get paid.

Does anyone know what is the most green cards that been chosen in these 2.0 sng? Has 9 green cards ever been chosen since acr 2.0 sng came out? I would figure probably 1 time or 2 at the max?

1 green = a standard payout, correct.

0 green for $5.50 would mean $10 (2 buyins but not including the fee) taken from the standard prize pool.

0 green cards = 2 places paid. Every additional green card adds 1 more place paid (up to 9, obv).

I'm not sure on the exact number of times 9 green has hit, but it seems like at least 4, 5, 6 times based on the jackpot dropping. They should publish them, imho.

Just fired up 3 of these start playing and one of the 3 starts lagging out within 3mins of them starting. I go to restart the software and they dont pop up at all. The sng 2.0 tab doesnt even open. Everything else runs fine.

The one that glitched out on me the other night support gets back to me after i email them and aksed me a bunch of questions about i already told them in the first email. They ask me the tourney id which i didnt see anywhere. I gave them the hand number in my first email.

Now i get this happening. Not impressed with the email support on ACR compared to other sites ive played on which get back to you quick and actually fix the problems. These are software problems that should be taking care of on their end promptly.

I'd advise to not play these till the software gets fixed. I had a couple problems with games not loading right in the past where id have to hit find tables to get the game to load. I may or may not have lost cash on that. Now im getting games not paying me out and fresh games not being playable at all.

Of course now everything is up and running fine again. Sofkntilting

This isn't happening, and it's a problem.

I like ACR and where it's going but for some of us support has been a black hole.

These are all registration and in-game glitches that should have been immediate refunds but weren't:

I had an issue 9 ago and tried contacting customer service many times: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=691, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=693, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=709, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=750

SyGambler: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=704, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=710, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=733, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=748

Nappyboy: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=749

yellowfever: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=766, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=778

What do you recommend?

Sanity check on a very small sample indicates the prize pool distribution is coming in as expected.



Average time does not include the pre-game.

Multiplier / number of green cards:
7 / 0
9 / 1
11 / 2
13 / 3
14 / 4

Thanks for the info even though it was small sample . last night I hit my goal of $300 and decided to cash out after a min deposit. It took me about a month and I was grinding only 1-2 games at time, with about 4 games a day. Maybe a bit more on the weekends.

5.50 games were very soft during the opening and I was on a heater. Last two weeks the games have significantly gotten tighter and my edge was gone. Took a few shots at $11 and it was about the same.

Still this was fun, and eventually I'll get back in when the rest of the bugs are swatted away. Still would like to see some data from WPN on the traffic. Feels like it died down significantly after the initial opening and getting filled with regs.

For those wondering about variance in these games, after studying it a little, I'm revising my previous gestimate where I thought it would be significantly higher that standard 9-max STTs. I now believe it will actually be reasonably similar to the standard games. So similar bankroll management should apply.

It seems, for players that can adjust to the various payout structures, the deeper and flatter payouts will compensate for low-tier games that only pay 2 spots and 7 buyins and the ITM percentage is likely to be similar to what it would be in a standard 9-max.

Hey Max, you seem to be pretty helpful and informative, are you tracking the SnG 2.0 games on your own or is there some other way to track them that you've found? I know they are pretty new so PT4 and Sharkscope don't seem to have that functionality yet.

Own tracking so far, including a very-limited partially functioning HH converter for PT4, which is where I got the average time from. Prizepool info is straight manual (when I don't forget!)

Hopefully, WPN starts putting prize pool info in the HH or a tournament summary and PT4 updates for the new HH structure. And hopefully they happen in that order or we'll have to wait out at least two updates from PT4.

Yeah average game time is something I was looking for so seeing ~30 min over 60 games is at least something to go off of. I started tracking my results in a Excel doc but just wanted to make sure there wasn't a simpler method, thanks for the help.

Is the auto table pop up working properly these days?

I like this system but it feels like the high probability of 0 green (7BI Pool) is a little too high. Makes it harder for a player to have a profitable ROI on the average since they have to place in top 2 more often to offset costs.

From the player's perspective it may be better to redistribute so that P(G=0) is less than 50%, and the rest of the probabilities adjust to compensate.

I was pretty skeptical myself, and obviously this is a small sample, but it seems to be in line with what I saw spamming SnGs on other sites. I think that if you can maintain a 10-20% ROI (which I should fall somewhere in between once the sample size grows big enough) then you can do great in these games, they still feel pretty soft. I'm currently sitting at ~40% ROI through 80 games.

*EDIT* To clarify I'm playing the $5.50's.

LOL at not expecting a refund when their software screws you over in the middle of a game. I've always got refunds from other sites when their software causes me to lose my money. I see no reason why it should be acceptable for ACR to *** you out of cash in a game when their software screws you when other sites take care of you in these instances.

Things like being in a game with 5 left and one guy at half a BB where 3 spots pay and the game stops dealing hands but everyone can chat. Everybody says they email support they dont reply till i email again. Then give me some bs scripted email. This should be refunded right away. Even on ignition/bovada this would be a snap refund ive got them multiple times on that site in situations like this.

Loading up 3 of these and 2mins later having one glitch to where you have to restart it. Then coming back and being able to load other games but not the sng2.0 tab this is BS. It should be on WPN in these instances and they should take care of us when its their bad because thats how good businesses operate.

To just say "i never rec a refund and dont expect to, not even going to email them" is some take it in the pooper battered wife syndrome talk.

I don't like the payout structure. Even if you do get a good amount of green more people cash but the top2 payout is essentially the same.

No announcement that I've seen. I've been tiling, but in some trials I notice the window pops to the top when action is needed, but the window is not made active.

QFT

PT4 update is out that includes support for the SNG 2.0 downloadable hand histories.

ACR emailed me about this. They refunded the 3 sngs after reviewing my account. They still havent refunded the one from the other day but that was a really weird glitch so maybe it'll take longer.

Pretty happy with them taking care of it. I understand these are new so are more glitchy then will be. Anyways thanks alot support for making this right!

Does it track the SnG 2.0's now? I have my PT4 set up but it won't import results properly for SnG.

It does,

You have to request the hand histories first through the client. Click on the SNG 2.0 tab -> Hand Histories. It doesn't track your results correctly though as there is no way for PT4 to know the prize pool of each SNG. Instead it just assumes every SNG pays top 3.

Correct me if I am wrong, but WPN are working on fixing the HHs so that they say how big the prize pool is for each SNG.

Ahh I have to request through the SNG 2.0 part, didn't realize that, thanks very much for clarifying.

Looks like a mini jackpot hit at $11, or possibly a medium at $5.50 (not sure exactly what the cash pile was up to).

So damn frustrating! $5.5 crashed twice on me. 4 get paid and I bubble yet again in 5th place AJs > AK