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03-16-2017 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrash370
This is a pretty non issue. In fact I was the one that pitched the idea of SNG 2.0 to ACR and was well aware of how the finish product would look unless they had a random change of heart at the end. You have a product that is the same structure as a 9 man turbo that any sng player would have played thousands of times in their life. The only "advantage" to be had in knowing early is studying ICM payouts for pay 2, pay 3, pay 4, pay 5, pay 6 etc. which I can guarantee you Collin Moshman (as well as myself) already have from not only playing hundreds of thousands of games but coaching sngs as well. I can't even imagine him having gained .05% ROI from knowing this early because I know i gained 0% ROI from understanding the format early.

Also look at the intent, ACR selling an ebook for $.99 isn't a get rich scheme it is meant to help players.
It's not about the money one gets selling a 99 cent e-book that I agree is a great deal for players and will help them it's for other things. Knowing payouts and the ability to mess with icm based tools to develop certain range strategy, style strategies,etc. for months before anyone else knows the specifics we shouldn't underrate.

The days of sitting down and crushing any form of poker regularly without doing much studying have been gone for years so for anyone to have even a little information and months to tackle it is getting a big edge.

Colin is just one person who would figure things out quickly because he is a genius but none of us know how many others got to test this format at Puna Cana prior as well.

I may have been a little harsh on my initial reaction and I know you said a lot of the concepts that went into this were your ideas, which I have a lot of respect for you btw.

This format has good potential with some tweaks and I hope WPN will listen to you and others in improving it.

I have to say this again because it's very important to me regarding mobile being a horrible idea for this format as it is. Nobody is looking for a 40 minute SNG on their phone and for a few that might try it the stability could be so bad causing support representatives a lot of headaches reading emails about it crashing,etc..

Jackpots would be way better suited for mobile but unless WPN shortens these for that platform they shouldn't waste their time.
03-16-2017 , 03:54 PM
is the jackpot counter correct? it is under 90k.
03-16-2017 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chopsy2
is the jackpot counter correct? it is under 90k.
Two jackpot games have been hit.

A $5 game hit the mini with 1 gold card for a $2,000 game.

Then a $10 game hit the medium with 2 gold cards for a $10,000 game.
03-16-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WPN Rep
Two jackpot games have been hit.

A $5 game hit the mini with 1 gold card for a $2,000 game.

Then a $10 game hit the medium with 2 gold cards for a $10,000 game.
ok so if the jackpot started at 100k does that not mean the jackpot prize pool hasn't been replenished yet from the games that have been running since inception? 100k-12k=88k. The way I see it right now is that the prize pool is draining faster than it is going in.
03-16-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by chopsy2
ok so if the jackpot started at 100k does that not mean the jackpot prize pool hasn't been replenished yet from the games that have been running since inception? 100k-12k=88k. The way I see it right now is that the prize pool is draining faster than it is going in.
That'll happen when it's hit twice in a 24-hour period
03-16-2017 , 04:39 PM
ok it might be a bit early but props to ACR, it seems to me they might of found a way to bring SNGs back from the dead.
03-16-2017 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by WPN Rep
That'll happen when it's hit twice in a 24-hour period
ok thanks for clarifying. enjoying these so far!
03-16-2017 , 05:15 PM
Ok in addition to what other players have noticed, one more piece of feedback: don't make the tables pop to front so quickly. It's a bit difficult to describe, but maybe some other folks multi-tabling these will have noticed also. When you have a couple actions pending across tables and you click "Fold/Call/whatever" at the front table, the next table awaiting action snaps to the front INSANELY quickly. It happens so fast that 1) it feels like I haven't even finished clicking yet so if another table pops up in the same place, I might misclick, and 2) I'm not even sure if the action has gone through so sometimes I go back to double check.

It's a pretty small thing but makes multitabling a tiny bit tougher for me.

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ok it might be a bit early but props to ACR, it seems to me they might of found a way to bring SNGs back from the dead.
Yeah. Very pleased with these overall.
03-16-2017 , 05:19 PM
Just a couple bugs that haven't been mentioned here, to help the acr staff hopefully fix these soon

- the 2.0 software and the mtt/regular software do not mix well. After getting a couple going in each, major lag. I stick to playing one or the other for now.

- the software antes very slowly, once antes kick in the gameplay slows down drastically.

- sometimes even after the game pops it still shows it in the waiting to start lobby, I had one stuck there since yesterday. the game ran but it is still there. if you try to X out of it, it says your request has been interrupted. please contact customer support. I thought it would go away after closing the software and opening but nope.

- sometimes 4 or 5 cards remain from the beginning pull just laying on their backs and the game plays over them
03-16-2017 , 05:25 PM
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- the software antes very slowly, once antes kick in the gameplay slows down drastically.
Definitely have noticed this as well.
03-16-2017 , 10:08 PM
Another issue- say blinds are 100/200 and bb has 107, it is 107 to call and not 200.

The antes becoming part of a raise is pretty annoying and the posted prizepool should be moved to the top of the screen.
03-17-2017 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SMPoker
Another issue- say blinds are 100/200 and bb has 107, it is 107 to call and not 200.

The antes becoming part of a raise is pretty annoying and the posted prizepool should be moved to the top of the screen.
This is the same issue I posted earlier. You can also make illegal raise sizes from that position.
03-17-2017 , 03:52 AM
I'm not sure how profitable these are for grinders yet but i do know their pretty fun to play. I'm guessing not that profitable since it just awards more payouts to the pool on the draws rather then going up top.

Just got 6 green cards at my table and everybody was going crazy in the chat. Recs are going to love these.
03-17-2017 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Ah, only 10. Thanks for the info.

@ glutenfree, I don't get why they went with a different format either. Perhaps it was seen as an improvement over the old format. PT/HM can probably be convinced to update so that at least tracking can be done. I just wish WPN would include the prize pool. :/
HM2 isn't getting a lot of updates because they are beta testing HM3.
03-17-2017 , 10:50 AM
What I have documented to work on right now:

1. Deploy SNG 2.0 on all skins.
2. Review the logic for Average Wait Time
3. Put all the antes in the pot at the same time. (No antes added to blinds or in front of players.)
4. Better prize pool display and display next blinds and time left in current blinds. What I'm looking to do here is to put the total prize pool and blind information at the top of the table like Jackpot Poker. Then when a player hovers over it, it will drop down vertically with the prize pool structure.
5. Prize pool distribution in the hand histories (same for Jackpot Poker)
6. Sounds go away after the table loses focus.
7. Add player notes for 2.0 and Jackpot Poker
8. Dealer button on the table instead of the nameplate for 2.0 and Jackpot Poker.
9. Don't play turn to act sound when quick action buttons are checked
10. When BB is all-in for less than the big blind amount, that is the price of the call. The call amount should still be the size of the big blind.
03-17-2017 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by WPN Rep
What I have documented to work on right now:

1. Deploy SNG 2.0 on all skins.
2. Review the logic for Average Wait Time
3. Put all the antes in the pot at the same time. (No antes added to blinds or in front of players.)
4. Better prize pool display and display next blinds and time left in current blinds. What I'm looking to do here is to put the total prize pool and blind information at the top of the table like Jackpot Poker. Then when a player hovers over it, it will drop down vertically with the prize pool structure.
5. Prize pool distribution in the hand histories (same for Jackpot Poker)
6. Sounds go away after the table loses focus.
7. Add player notes for 2.0 and Jackpot Poker
8. Dealer button on the table instead of the nameplate for 2.0 and Jackpot Poker.
9. Don't play turn to act sound when quick action buttons are checked
10. When BB is all-in for less than the big blind amount, that is the price of the call. The call amount should still be the size of the big blind.



For consideration (no particular order):
  • Would be nice to see at least the number of positions being paid without having to hover. (For bubble awareness.)
  • Ante amounts included in the window title: bb/sb (ante)
  • In-game hand replayer.
  • Displayed/published list of jackpots won.
  • Some sort of observation mode.
  • Ditch fractional chips for tournaments.
03-17-2017 , 11:21 AM
That's a great list WPN rep. Could you possibly add issues with pop table to front? Tables requiring action would pop before I could make an action on a table already requiring it. I had issues playing these in any form but tiled (and the cards, prize pool, and stack sizes became super hard to read when scaled down compared to normal tables). Thank you.

Edit: also fractional chips have to go. They're very annoying.

Last edited by c0wbait; 03-17-2017 at 11:23 AM. Reason: Adding comment
03-17-2017 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by WPN Rep
What I have documented to work on right now:

4. Better prize pool display and display next blinds and time left in current blinds. What I'm looking to do here is to put the total prize pool and blind information at the top of the table like Jackpot Poker. Then when a player hovers over it, it will drop down vertically with the prize pool structure.

At the center would be great but not if it covers up cards of players 1 and 9. This is an easy task in jackpots only having three players so you have a ton of empty space but not so much in 9 mans so another alternative might be looking at the free space in the top right corner of the tables where it seems to have the most. Whichever is chosen please don't cover any cards and consider people resizing tables what it will look like too.


6. Sounds go away after the table loses focus.

Their never was a way as far as I can recall to turn the Jackpot spin sound off in the poker settings at least since the new version launched. This has caused me a few problems in the past where if a few games load at once and spin it up with that sound at the same time it would crash my sound card where the only way I can fix it is a full computer reboot. If their is a way to turn that off completely it would be nice.


7. Add player notes for 2.0 and Jackpot Poker

This is a must and hopefully can be prioritized to the top of new features after fixing some of the standard bugs.
Some things to consider where I bolded the first few words for certain things.

A longer time bank then 10 seconds would be nice. This is just too short and it would be nice if it don't turn off once I click the timebank button if I do it twice because I can't tell it's been activated.

+1 also to all of what Max Cut said. Many of these features others, including myself have mentioned in here and they would all be good to have. Until we were told a mini and medium jackpot went off in this thread none of us had a clue that it happened and people want to know when it does.
03-17-2017 , 12:01 PM
Those all seem like fantastic QOL changes.
03-17-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by yellowfever
I'm not sure how profitable these are for grinders yet but i do know their pretty fun to play. I'm guessing not that profitable since it just awards more payouts to the pool on the draws rather then going up top.

Just got 6 green cards at my table and everybody was going crazy in the chat. Recs are going to love these.
I look at the flat payouts a little differently. I find myself actually being able to make more per hour (when the little issues get fixed and I can play more games at one time) while I may actually make a little less per game over the long run. I also find the stress level lowered due to lower variance which of course leads me to play more. Much of this has to do with my own personal makeup but I see these games as profitable without having to hit a big jackpot.

I am going to try setting up stack and tile for these games to see if I can up my table count, hopefully it works out as I actually really enjoy these games.
03-17-2017 , 12:25 PM
Can someone verify the format of these? I have seen pictures/videos showing both 500 and 1500 chips stacks and the ACR website showing 1500 chips and 5 minute levels. Which is it?
03-17-2017 , 12:51 PM
1500 ss and 5 min blinds is correct
03-17-2017 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nooo Whammy
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- sometimes even after the game pops it still shows it in the waiting to start lobby, I had one stuck there since yesterday. the game ran but it is still there. if you try to X out of it, it says your request has been interrupted. please contact customer support. I thought it would go away after closing the software and opening but nope.
We're working on this bug.

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Originally Posted by Nooo Whammy
- sometimes 4 or 5 cards remain from the beginning pull just laying on their backs and the game plays over them
I would love a screenshot of that. I've not seen it yet.
03-17-2017 , 01:44 PM
[QUOTE=WPN Rep;51883410]We're working on this bug.



Can you clarify if we get rakeback or not? I was watching a stream and told about this forum

Would you like to trade the rights to my name for 1 billion play chips?
03-17-2017 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sit&Go 2.0

Can you clarify if we get rakeback or not?
You get rakeback if you're signed up as a rakeback player. Otherwise, you get elite benefits in the loyalty program. Also, you get points in the Sit and Crush race.

No, you keep the name. It looks good on you

      
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