ADD A LOW STAKES OMAHA HI/LO TOURNEY TO THE SCHEDULE. I finally got a couple o8 sit n gos rolling yesterday then you guys immediately removed them and only kept the turbos on board. What's up with that?

No suggestions are overlooked.

I have created the tournies... Now i just need to fit them into the right times.
Listen, the beautiful thing is regarding these. If they fail i will just change it.

I have got a good mix there is a hi/lo micro in there aswell. I have tried to be generous with the gtds. If things run really well i will just increase them.

We are heading in the right direction!!

i will post the schedule when its 100% complete

As far as i can see we still have the hi/lo regular!

please explain so i can look further into this

With regards to this. I am making it so that every gtd tourney is going to be up 12 hours in advance. What i will also do is, when i have completed the schedule i will have the graphics dep create the schedule so i can post it without satelites. This should hopefully make life and scheduling alot easier!

Dear Winning_TD,

The most important thing when creating these new tournaments is making the Guarantees large and attractive....

The range of buy ins can vary significantly, from $5r/a to $109 freezeouts(re-entry)...that part is simple you just make a few for each range of buy ins.

turbos will be *EXTREMELY* popular as long as your GUARANTEES ARE BIG AND ATTRACTIVE.

so for example, instead of stupid tournaments like the $22 Freezeout 500gtd Turbo Deepstacks(which hardly run).....remove them and instead make it something like a $33 Freezeout $10k GTD Turbo Deepstack.

have the biggest guarantees running during peak hours obviously and continue running them throughout the rest of the day/night. just start decreasing the guarantees proportionately as the traffic drops off and you will build a significant following of players at all hours of the day. right now you have huge gaps in the schedule where there are no decent tournaments because you offer basically nothing in terms of guaranteed prizes for most of the day minus a 3 hour period from like 8pm-11pm EST time.

dont be afraid of having a little overlay the first few weeks after you've added a big GTD tournament....the OVERLAYS ARE WHAT ATTRACT THE NEW PLAYERS.

when someone sees a nice guarantee with overlay they know they are missing out on value and will make sure to jump on it next time.

i really think your network is just a nice tournament schedule away from taking over the number 1 spot for US facing sites....big guarantees are a great way to spread money around the site and improve the poker-economy on your site.

Hi,

I understand what your saying and dont disagree with you,

As much as i would love to be able to offer these big guarantees and have good tournaments throughout the day and night. Its just a different market. It is not easy to get Europeans so havin tournaments with decent guarantees at 2 - 6am will just hurt too much.

I would love nothing more than to be able to offer you guys 10k, 15k, 20k guaranteed tournaments. Right now it just cannot happen.

If i see certain tournaments do well and are popular i will raise guarantees 100%, but when they are 1st put into the schedule i have to take a little caution.

Over time things can really start kicking off then i will be able to do exactly what i want and what everyone else wants.

as much as we'd like for the tournaments to be bigger the tournament traffic doesn't warrant such a big increase immediately. Not until they solve other issues. First is software that most tournament players need. Then they have to slowly build the player pool in tournaments that will attract more euros to come after american fish. Then will see bigger pools eventually but its gonna take some time.

this!!!+1000000

Glad to see more turbo tournaments on the WPN. I know the regs like normal speed MTT's, but please keep the turbos coming for us married guys with kids!

Someone else posted about wanting micro-freezeouts, and I've got agree.

Please put a daily $1 tournament that's either a freezeout or re-entry (non rebuy.)

I don't even care if there is no GTD prize pool, or if it's very small.

I realize that people who play exclusively so low aren't the people you really need to appeal to, but I think it's beneficial to everybody. Players who play $10-200 aren't interested in tournaments that small, and people who are just trying out ACR will get to try tournaments.

EG - ATM I'm trying out ACR exclusively through freerolls, and I'm just getting used to it before deciding whether to deposit or not. But even if/when I do deposit, I still will want to play really low stakes in the tournaments until I build a roll, so having lots of micros is important to me.

Those micros have to include non-rebuy events, because in essence a 3 dollar unlimited rebuy/addon event is closer to a 10 dollar buy in event.


Which is why I think Re-Entry is so good for both ACR and micro stakes players. First of all, ACR would get an entry fee for every re-entry, which is not the case for re-buys. Secondly, players who want to play in a basic freezeout format to reduce variance get what is basically a freezeout, where people who bust out are the same as late reggers...

Also, I may or may not have posted this elsewhere, but the blind structure is kinda ridiculous. A bunch of levels are skipped or structured strangely...

IMO it should be something close to 10/20, 20/40, 30/60, 40/80, 50/100 instead of 10/20,20/30,25/50,50/100.

Just adding in a few levels would create a lot more play without making the tournament last that much longer. Just try to make sure that even in turbos, people can get in some decent play at the beginning, especially during late reg./re-buy/re-entry periods. I also noticed that (I think) a couple tournaments end up going from 400/800 to 600/1200 to 1000/2000.... where is the 800/1600? I may be mistaken, maybe that was only in a freeroll (which is reasonable.)

Little things like that are kind of a big deal to tournament players, IMO, you've got to make the structures a bit better.


Also good luck with these changes, it's good to see that they've got someone actively working on improving. Right now, WPN is OK, but needs improved software and schedules. It actually looks like WPN is working on both, so that's good.

Any chance of adding these turbos at the bottom of the hour? That way they won't be competing against the regular schedule....People who are used to playing the top of the hour tourneys will see the new ones and possibly play both, and early bust-outs may jump into the new ones with different structures.

Oh, and any type of mixed games would be sweet...

DEEP STACK MTTS, Timely Blind Levels, and Hyper turbo Mtts!

For something i dont see other sites have, HYPER TURBO DEEP STACK/SUPER STACK MTT"s.
I usta play the Hyper Turbo 10K on stars, its just great funplayin ghtose


Super STACK MTTS ALSO.. GUARNTEEDS ARE THE BEST!!!!! ANY AMOUNT GUARNTEED ALWAYS A LOVELY FUN TIME..

if your going to add a REBUY gameat all, the Super Turbo Rebuys, Turbo Rebuys with adons like 5k and 10k are always fun, can get in late and have a chance!

get in late and have a chance in a super turbo?

no thanks.

Omaha

Hi


Low

While I appreciate your honesty and response, I have to point out that this strategy is exactly why your network HAS NOT GROWN significantly...despite much of the competition dropping like flies....come on guys! this is the perfect time to seize your share of the market!!

you guys should easily be the biggest and best USA facing site but you're far too conservative with your marketing and promotions IMO(including things like big GTDs).

I'm not trying to tell you how to run your business or do your job, but you guys surely have to understand that short term losses are perfectly acceptable if they lead to long term growth and customer retention. seems like you are far too worried about that weekly, monthly or quarterly report instead of focusing on the long term growth of the site...a surefire recipe for disaster.
I mean I can't even begin to tell you how many people only play your site for the nightly 10k GTD or a few select tournaments on Sundays specifically because of the lackluster schedule/guaranteed prizes.

I assure you, if you make some large guarantees starting during peak hour(5pm-Midnight EST time) it will pay off HUGE in the long run....you might lose some money in overlays at first, but as a poker player I can tell you personally that nothing attracts me to a tournament more than seeing some overlay in a big GTD.

this method of starting small and trying to build up the guarantees does not work....if you guys are looking for some consulting in this department(free of charge), please do not hesitate to contact me. I am only offering this advice because I like what you guys are doing and I want to see your site grow and take the customers from these lame-duck sites like Lock/Merge instead.

everyone knows that you guys have a top notch cashier system for depositing/payouts and your software continues to improve....why aren't they flocking to your site? because the more casual player is attracted to that shot at hitting a big score. no casual player is interested in plopping down $55 just to play a tiny 2k GTD or something....those type of players(who are the foundation of the poker economy), they want the chance to hit it big and win a big score! i cannot stress to you enough how important it is to make these guarantees LARGE AND ATTRACTIVE. please throw aside your short term financial reports and think about the long term....show this post to your boss/supervisors if they don't like the idea of paying overlay.

please man, I'm asking you to reconsider this strategy as it has not worked so far. If for example, you guys began offering 3-4 tournaments PER NIGHT with guarantees over $10k, I'd bet my entire bankroll you will see huge sustainable growth within a matter of weeks. If you combined these new GTDs with a small marketing campaign you will hit it out of the ballpark....sure you might have to pay out a few thousand in overlays the first nights but it will pay for itself in no time. and those casual players who drop $55 for a shot at some real money will stick around and keep playing instead of withdrawing 99% of their balances and only playing your nightly 10k.

please reconsider...if you'd like specific ideas for tournaments, etc PLEASE CONTACT ME, i am an experienced MTT player who plays a huge range of buy ins and I have a good grasp of what players from all levels and backgrounds want. I'm offering up my time and knowledge for free...I want to see your site grow the way it deserves.

thanks

Be more specific and I'll get a contract written out here shortly.

haha poker players always looking for the angle lol...

I'd actually have no problem betting some money on this(even if wagering my entire BR is an exaggeration)...the point was only that I feel very strongly about this.

In a nutshell, I feel like this is *not* the time for Winning Network to play it conservatively....with all the players fed up with Lock/other sites not paying out and all the people who can't stand the anonymous BS being offered by the competition...its a no-brainer IMO.

I'm not saying you need a bunch outrageous guarantees that are completely and utterly unattainable....the word I continue to use is "ATTRACTIVE"...the guarantees must be attractive!

for example, there is no excuse for the absence of a nice healthy guarantee each weeknight at primetime in the $5 to $15 buy in range....almost every site has something like this except for Winning Network. Certainly need something like a nightly $11 freezeout with a guarantee of at least $5k. Should also have a nightly "high roller" type tournament for the big boys...i like the $109 5k they've added but it would be interesting to see something like a $109 reentry with like 10-15k gtd each night.

once you've beefed up the nightly schedules during prime-time hours, then you can start sprinkling in more tournaments before/after to strengthen the overall schedule; obviously lowering the GTDs accordingly.

the basic idea is you need a strong foundation of GTD tourneys during peak hours across all three of the major buy-in ranges and then you can start to build on that....

if people know they can sign into ACR/True/BCP any night of the week and find some good healthy prizepools for their bankrolls, they will be much more likely to keep playing and grinding on the site. i'm not exaggerating at all when I tell you I know of many players who literally ONLY play your nightly 10k gtd because they feel its the only MTT worth a damn on the site(which is a shame and pretty far from the truth IMO).

my vote is for normal gtd tourneys as is non turbo, non re-buy, non etc.

The rebuys are amazing, there should be more. The turbos I can live without though

Sorry but the rebuys are far from amazing and will continue to be until they fix the format. Starting stacks are too small for a 2 hr rebuy period.

huh?

being deep stacked in a rebuy kind of defeats the purpose of the tournament being a rebuy imo.

One of the biggest edges we have as grinders is being able to take certain spots in the rebuy period to try to get a stack where a lot of non regs would fold because they don't want to rebuy or don't have the money to rebuy.

I multi site and sometimes I have as many as 16tbls going at once. I really don't have time to pay attention to the action in the two hour rebuy period and thus that advantage the you spoke of really isn't applicable to me.

If I were playing fewer tables, and had more time to get read on opponents, then I'd probably agree with your assessment. As it is right now, I kind of group all rebuys together on my second monitor and kind of play them in a straight forward way.

In general I could generate more chips in teh rebuy period if I played more hands and actually had time to pay attention and exploit the play of those people you mentioned. But as it is, once I've doubled, it really doesn't make sense to try and gamble or risk a significant portion of my stack because when you lose and have to rebuy (at the end of the rebuy period) your stack gets so small that you basically have to open jam when its folded to you thus increasing your variance and the amount you are spending on the mtt. There have been times this has happened to me and I spend $50 in buyins and addons trying to win a first place of 600$. Not worth it imo.

And this is whta the TD is talking about. He doesn't wanna change the structure because this is what happens and this is how the guars get met-putting ppl back in the mtt with a 3k stack (when you double rebuy) and having the blinds at 150/300. So they'd rather offer a crappy structure and have a biggish guars. Fine with me but I'm not playing them.

I can play the same way on merge and risk fewer buyins and have a good healthy stack (with a good structure) when the freezeout portion begins.

Also I've never really believed in gambling in the rebuys because most of players are bad and will give you chips post rebuy hour anyway. Due to the structure on Winning however this strategy doesn't work as well.

You don't need bigger stacks in these rebuys; the games are fishy enough to where you don't need any more chips. I agree with having more chips for the 2 hour rebuy that runs at 10est, but that is the only daily rebuy that has a 2hr rebuy period.