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12-05-2012 , 03:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItAintEZ
Just curious, why are you open shoving KK. I understand you don't want to be called in 4 spots, but aren't there better ways to play it other than the open shove.
No. I don't want a 4 way pot which is what I'm protecting against. In that spot I want one spazzy bot to call and take down the pot and double up. Let my opponent slow play and or even come in with a 4-10 BB bet. The bots call him and now he gets bung-holed and is spewing chips down to the river. Keep in mind, I'm playing an opponent not just the bots.
12-05-2012 , 04:39 PM
I'm not sure why this is considered skill and real poker is not. If anything variance between players playing the same hand can be drastically different, therefore playing a hand correctly will not always yield the most profit. Also, playing vs. programmed opponents means whoever figures out algorithms for them first will pwn this site. I tried to play and lagged so badly it was not worth playing. Not worth it imo. See if you can build a roll with the free money they give out.
12-05-2012 , 04:45 PM
Also, since they can control the difficulty of the opponents, and/or how loose/tight they play they can artificially bloat their rake. eg. You and the other guy are the only ones playing with real money; so you can be put into spots where you have next to no equity thanks to programming.
12-05-2012 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Donkey1990
I disagree. The loose play doesn't remind of the micro stakes, it reminds me of donks in a freeroll. If I'm playing tight agressive and open shove oop with pocket kings, why the bleep is 22 or ace rag, JQ off suit calling? It's simply pitting my strong dominant hand against random cards making me an underdog in a 4 way pot.
So you play bad(open shove kings), the bots play worse and you want that to be changed? you are really upset about people calling when you open shove kings?
12-05-2012 , 07:10 PM
I just went to play. There are six $3 tables and two 7.50 tables which are both full. Why are there still only two 7.50 tables? It has been like this for months.
12-05-2012 , 07:58 PM
OK.. I don't think this site is to be trusted at all. I was messing around, experimenting with min re-raising preflop to steal pots, and this just happened. Needless to say, I had a hard time believing what I just saw.

edit *posted hand history below*

I'd love to hear how the site can explain this one...

Last edited by allin4narnia; 12-05-2012 at 08:15 PM. Reason: found hand history
12-05-2012 , 08:09 PM
**** History for game 2470951 ****
Detroit (P) - 12/5/12 06:47:47 PM
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players: 6
Seat 1: Player 1 (100)
Seat 3: Player 3 (100)
Seat 5: Player 5 (100)
Seat 7: 12bucks (100)
Seat 9: Player 9 (100)
Seat 10: Player 10 (100)
Player 9 posts small blind 1
Player 10 posts big blind 2
Player 1 folds
Player 3 folds
Player 5 raises 6 [to 6]
12bucks raises 10 [to 10]
Player 9 folds
Player 10 folds
Player 5 folds
Vying for pot #1 (19.0): 12bucks
12bucks shows [Tc,7c] Pair of Queens
12bucks wins 19 from the Main pot


Player 2 Transcript

**** History for game 2470951 ****
Detroit (P) - 12/5/12 06:47:47 PM
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players: 6
Seat 1: Player 1 (100)
Seat 3: Player 3 (100)
Seat 5: Player 5 (100)
Seat 7: viele89 (100)
Seat 9: Player 9 (100)
Seat 10: Player 10 (100)
Player 9 posts small blind 1
Player 10 posts big blind 2
Player 1 folds
Player 3 folds
Player 5 raises 6 [to 6]
viele89 calls 6 [to 6]
Player 9 folds
Player 10 folds
* Flop is dealt [Qh,9h,4c]
Player 5 bets 10 [to 10]
viele89 raises 45 [to 45]
Player 5 calls 35 [to 45]
* Turn is dealt [Qc]
Player 5 checks
viele89 all in 49
Player 5 all in 49
* River is dealt [6h]
Vying for pot #1 (203.0): Player 5 viele89
viele89 shows [Tc,7c] Pair of Queens
Player 5 shows [Ac,As] Aces and Queens
Player 5 wins 203 from the Main pot
12-06-2012 , 02:12 AM
Not sure what happened there; clearly seems like serious bug. I'm sending this one up for further review. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Last edited by Renee Revel; 12-06-2012 at 03:34 PM.
12-06-2012 , 04:13 AM
Is there a way to end a match gracefully after both opponents agree to continue playing past 30 hands, such as a "sit out next hand" button?

All I can see is to close out the window and hope it disconnects before the next hand starts, which really sucks.

I really hope I am just missing something here, as this should be such a basic feature.
12-06-2012 , 05:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joemomma
I just went to play. There are six $3 tables and two 7.50 tables which are both full. Why are there still only two 7.50 tables? It has been like this for months.
I agree, though I found the mid-stakes game the most fun.
12-06-2012 , 12:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joemomma
I just went to play. There are six $3 tables and two 7.50 tables which are both full. Why are there still only two 7.50 tables? It has been like this for months.
Yes, our hope is to have this auto-add tables feature added next week. Thanks for your patience! This feature certainly does not take months to add; however, we are also working on some other items too.
12-06-2012 , 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoe
Is there a way to end a match gracefully after both opponents agree to continue playing past 30 hands, such as a "sit out next hand" button?

All I can see is to close out the window and hope it disconnects before the next hand starts, which really sucks.

I really hope I am just missing something here, as this should be such a basic feature.
Unfortunately you are not missing something. You are right. We need a more graceful way to stop! Apologies and thank you for the feedback. It's been on the fix list for some time (but has gotten passed up for some more critical additions). Hopefully we'll have it soon. Thank you for the feedback.
12-06-2012 , 02:24 PM
I like this and im gonna promote this on other forums I frequent as well as facebook and twitter.

I wanna build a roll for free by playing whomever I can
12-06-2012 , 06:06 PM
Just trying it out with the play money tables. I figured I would check out the AI's since they should play the same (real v play)unlike human opponents. Interesting idea, but obviously concerned opponent is a bot too.......
12-06-2012 , 06:11 PM
Im concerned that the AI is flawed or just makes random decisions... How else can you explain an AI folding AA to a 3bet preflop?
12-06-2012 , 06:14 PM
It is a very rare bug. Still investigating, but we'll solve it!

Last edited by Renee Revel; 12-06-2012 at 06:34 PM.
12-06-2012 , 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joemomma
So you play bad(open shove kings), the bots play worse and you want that to be changed? you are really upset about people calling when you open shove kings?
In my experience on the site I think this a +EV play. The AIs seem to have a pretty wide range pre-flop from BB, SB, and button and would call a big raise from the bottom of their range. So he's gonna get a bunch of calls and then be in trouble post flop. They also will call an AIPF from OOP opponent with A rag suited, any pair, and some suited connectors. Get it in pre-flop with KK and you'll get one call and be 2.5 to 4:1 favorite for most hands.
12-06-2012 , 07:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by allin4narnia
Im concerned that the AI is flawed or just makes random decisions... How else can you explain an AI folding AA to a 3bet preflop?
That was the fish player/scaredy cat AI player
12-06-2012 , 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokerdamus
That was the fish player/scaredy cat AI player
Haha yup.. Dude just had mad respect for my game.. He knew he was neg EV against any 2
12-06-2012 , 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokerdamus
That was the fish player/scaredy cat AI player
I dont know about aces but here's one thats pretty close:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKToPpTAi5M
12-06-2012 , 08:17 PM
Unless you can dodge bullets and read souls like White Lightening:

http://www.pokerlistings.com/poker-h...kings?show=all
12-06-2012 , 08:30 PM
i tried to do the challenge with someone and the table was blank and could never connect to the server for either of us
12-06-2012 , 09:31 PM
Wow!

What browser?

Still having the problem?
12-07-2012 , 12:43 PM
is the cap on pending matches determined by the traffic for that particular match level? seems stange that the limit for 1.5s is 4, the lmit for 5s is 5, the limit for 10s is 3, and the limit for 25s is 4.

imo you should consider getting rid of or significantly raising these limits. one of the greatest benefits of this format is that it allows you to play at any time whether you have an opponent or not. if people could load up more at once it would create a huge increase in match play. right now i have all the 5s, 10s, and 25s full. i'd play more, but i can't, so instead i read nvg.
12-07-2012 , 02:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
is the cap on pending matches determined by the traffic for that particular match level? seems stange that the limit for 1.5s is 4, the lmit for 5s is 5, the limit for 10s is 3, and the limit for 25s is 4.

imo you should consider getting rid of or significantly raising these limits. one of the greatest benefits of this format is that it allows you to play at any time whether you have an opponent or not. if people could load up more at once it would create a huge increase in match play. right now i have all the 5s, 10s, and 25s full. i'd play more, but i can't, so instead i read nvg.
Really good point!!

We had the limit a long time ago when traffic was much lower - and we didn't want people to have to wait a long time for games to get played, but we need to up it again!

We're on it.

      
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