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11-03-2012 , 09:08 PM
Interesting concept. Does SkillBet have a twitter account we can follow.
11-04-2012 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyLadyBlue
[...]not sure how much the "100% Legal" phrasing helps us -- since illegal operators say the same thing...
Maybe focus on how you're doing legit deposits and withdraws in a timely manner.
11-04-2012 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bluffold
Maybe focus on how you're doing legit deposits and withdraws in a timely manner.
yep!
11-04-2012 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ZenForest
Interesting concept. Does SkillBet have a twitter account we can follow.
Not today, but we decided to get one going soon. I'll post it here in a few days.
11-04-2012 , 07:52 PM
Hi,

As playing poker isn't illegal, only transferring money between the sites and banks is, using the term legal is misleading at best.

You can still say things like "Accord to the DOJ Skillbet doesn't fall under the UIGEA since no chance is involved, therefore depositing and withdrawing will always be legal and easy" or something to that effect.

Be sure with the Lacey banners that the site is as easy to notice as Lacey, that might be hard LOL

I think fish are your best target tbh, I'm not sure how many regs who are still playing on the US facing sites are going to be that interested as long as there is somewhere to play real poker. So I would tailor your ads in that direction for now.

Regs may play around with it a bit so I'd keep that in mind and think of ways to get them to try it and stick around. There are some people who were good regs pre BF but just don't want to deal with the BS of trying to play on the US facing sites now. There will be even more with the latest Merge issues. So you can reel them in with the right marketing strategy.

I don't know if you've been up and running long enough to come up with any stats as to how much money people are making but some type of testimonials from current winning players might be good.

It's an interesting concept but as I said in the other thread winning players are likely to view this concept as who can better exploit the bots, which makes it less appealing, however if you get enough fish on the site the regs will follow to take advantage of their inexperience.
11-05-2012 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bluffold
Maybe focus on how you're doing legit deposits and withdraws in a timely manner.
Agree with this. TBH, this is the only reason I tried the site in the first place. It's like the PartyPoker days in terms of deposits and withdrawals. Unfoturnately, after playing on SB, this is the only reason I will keep playing. I'm not thrilled about playing this form of poker.
11-05-2012 , 10:22 PM
Feel the best way to view this, is as a new variation of Heads Up Poker, not as a replacement or alternative to traditional Poker. Just a fun way to test & improve your style of play vs. an opponent under the exact same set of hands & opponents.

It's an interesting concept for sure.
11-06-2012 , 09:24 AM
The AIs are just so bad at poker. Can we see the AIs cards? There was one hand where my opponent shoved allin with just A high and the computer called and lost. I was just like It didn't show the losing hand. Something is just odd about the way the hands are playing out.
11-07-2012 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by KingKongGrinder
Agree with this. TBH, this is the only reason I tried the site in the first place. It's like the PartyPoker days in terms of deposits and withdrawals. Unfoturnately, after playing on SB, this is the only reason I will keep playing. I'm not thrilled about playing this form of poker.
I agree...after playing for a day or two, there is a need for variation...maybe a 9 man table or heads up option...get's boring after a minute. But knowing that the payouts will be quick makes it bearable.
11-07-2012 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by KingKongGrinder
The AIs are just so bad at poker. Can we see the AIs cards? There was one hand where my opponent shoved allin with just A high and the computer called and lost. I was just like It didn't show the losing hand. Something is just odd about the way the hands are playing out.
I agree, and thought about this a lot and finally do think it would be best if they spend more time really developing "good" poker AI's (paging the bot ring that was beating 5/10 vs regs *cough* *cough*)....
11-07-2012 , 12:39 PM
They could make a pluggable interface to let bot-makers have their try. You could just publish some API and let people implement bots. Skillbet could give a cut of rake to the bot-makers.
11-07-2012 , 12:47 PM
^skillbet should just hire god bot-makers not give them a cut of the rake. I will message them if they are interested and/or they should get in touch with NoahSD.
11-08-2012 , 02:19 AM
The AI is much better than you think.

I'm going to try to get some data for you. I bet our customers on SB lose on average to the AI (even with the intentionally bad preflop play). [We'd need to only look at Challenges or exclude any play when someone is down more than 2 buyins.]

Note: We could make it A LOT better by having it profile players; however, doing that will really upset people when two players have the same actions on a hand and the AI responds differently.
11-08-2012 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by KingKongGrinder
The AIs are just so bad at poker. Can we see the AIs cards? There was one hand where my opponent shoved allin with just A high and the computer called and lost. I was just like It didn't show the losing hand. Something is just odd about the way the hands are playing out.
Can you find this hand #? I'd really like to see it.
11-08-2012 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyLadyBlue
I bet our customers on SB lose on average to the AI (even with the intentionally bad preflop play). [We'd need to only look at Challenges or exclude any play when someone is down more than 2 buyins.]
Are you talking about when folded around to the player so its blind vs. blind? If so I will bet $100 against you.

And even if I lose that, I'd also bet that I could beat anyone HU if I get to play 100% of hands in position, which is what your argument is to show how "good" the AI is... just sayin'.
11-08-2012 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyLadyBlue
Can you find this hand #? I'd really like to see it.
How do I find it?
11-09-2012 , 12:03 AM
do you remember what game/takes/table it was at or who your opponent was? login, go the the webpage (not the pop-up client) and click game history.

it will show every hand, how you played, how your opponent played, and the results.
11-09-2012 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by coxquinn
do you remember what game/takes/table it was at or who your opponent was? login, go the the webpage (not the pop-up client) and click game history.

it will show every hand, how you played, how your opponent played, and the results.
Thanks. I will try to find it.
11-12-2012 , 12:14 AM
Any luck finding that hand?
11-12-2012 , 04:54 PM
i would prefer the AI to stay exactly the way it is
11-13-2012 , 07:38 AM
I've been playing for a few months and enjoy the sit and go nature type style of game. Can get a session done in 15 minutes which is nice.
11-13-2012 , 12:13 PM
I personally like the way the AI plays. If the AI played too poorly the game would be too easy, and pretty boring. Plus, it could actually hurt a good players EV, if they didn't figure out how to adjust. If the AI played at a truly expert level, I think weaker players would be scared off because constantly losing chips would create negative reinforcement, even if they weren't doing as badly compared to their human opponents.
11-13-2012 , 12:39 PM
Someone come play...sitting at a 3.00 table right now... swcleague is my SN there
11-13-2012 , 04:14 PM
If you play somebody in a live match, and when it finishes your are up the buyin plus $x "cushion", do you actually get paid the $x? Or is the losing player trying to freeroll their way back in once they get down the buyin amount?
11-13-2012 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MellowMood
If you play somebody in a live match, and when it finishes your are up the buyin plus $x "cushion", do you actually get paid the $x? Or is the losing player trying to freeroll their way back in once they get down the buyin amount?
you can only lose your buy-in amount.

for example u playing a $3 game and your opponent loses $5.

he has to make up the extra $2 loss before he is able to start working towards making his money back. So rest assured playing a $3 game wont win or lose u more than what you buyin with, in this case $3

      
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