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07-13-2013 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jackitos
Regi is TSM. I hate when people say this ****. He's 100% owner. Regi isn't getting rid of Regi because Regi doesn't think that Regi is the problem. His ego is huge and he blames others on the team.
lol didnt know he owned the team.
no need to freak out lmao.
being the owner doesnt make him awesome.

boxer stepped down.
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07-13-2013 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jackitos
Was Marn manager or owner?
I don't know, and can't be bothered to research, but given that Marn's team's name was Team Marn, I think it's a reasonable assumption that he owned the thing.
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07-13-2013 , 11:36 AM
Around the time that Chaox got benched, everyone was saying that Chaox was to blame for not showing up to practice, etc. But I had followed very very closely the situation and knew it was basically Regi's fault, and wrote this 3 months ago:

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I don't agree with the common sentiment that this was Chaox's fault. Most people are only viewing the story from one side. I've followed TSM very closely from before S2 started including the vlogs etc., and this is what I see:
When you watch Reginald carefully, he comes off as big headed and the alpha male on the team. For better or for worse, he can never be at fault, and doesn't take blame easily. When TSM started losing, Chaox started getting blamed unfairly because Reginald would deflect blame. This likely caused Chaox anxiety and caused him to start avoiding practice. Because of an environment where he is considered a weaker/problem player. These subtle factors I think are being missed by almost all people. Chaox never missed practice when TSM were winning. Chaox didn't miss practice because of being lazy, that's just a manifestation of the underlying problem. The real reason is anxiety; causing a subconscious avoidance. That bubbles up as "I don't feel like it."
Other people just see Chaox not showing up and scapegoat him. That is not even the reason Chaox was kicked off, even in Xpecial's own words. The reason comes down to what happened in games and in the reflection of those games after. The breakup happened because of the infighting caused by the fact that Reginald can't be wrong about anything, and his dominant personality takes over because of his ego. It makes it unpleasant to play with Regi because it feels grossly unfair that it is never his fault, and the tension has nowhere to dissipate.
In my opinion, the ultimate reason for this breakup is Reginald not being a mature enough leader and to take losses as a team. All team members should be equal, owners/managers should not also be players because it sets different standards for players. This is also telling that while Chaox is sad, he "doesn't regret" what happened. The full story is being missed.
At the time, no one agreed. Now with Dyrus smashing his keyboard and Xpecial now crying etc. I feel really good about my opinion being vindicated and that I was right about the situation at the time before it got leaked in a big way, even though almost no one agreed with me.

Last edited by Alex Wice; 07-13-2013 at 11:54 AM.
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07-13-2013 , 11:54 AM
Now about TSM, it's so obvious that Regi needs to bench himself. His playing strength is only a bit below Oddone's actually (and the weakest on the team), but the main reason is because the team can't function like this much longer.

That being said it probably won't happen, and so we get to watch TSM implode depending on the result of the splits. I feel quite bad for the other 4 members due to the organization rules and such. I almost feel Riot should allow a mutiny (allow the other 4 players to play under a different team name, that team replacing TSM.)
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07-13-2013 , 11:55 AM
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07-13-2013 , 01:05 PM
so this is the death of TSM round 6 or so right

see you guys in 2months when they win NA Summer
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07-13-2013 , 01:11 PM
TSM not winning NA summer, lol

They can't beat C9/Vulcun/CLG
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07-13-2013 , 01:15 PM
I smell a prop
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07-13-2013 , 01:17 PM
I'll take TSM misses top 3 summer split at 1:1
I'll take CLG makes top 3 summer split at 1:1
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07-13-2013 , 01:45 PM
Both of yours are guarantees. =/
How is 1:1 even fair?
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07-13-2013 , 02:29 PM
I'll take VES misses top 3 summer split at 1:1
I'll take C9 makes top 3 summer split at 1:1
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07-13-2013 , 02:32 PM
Also huge lol at claiming to be the only person who saw/sees regi as the problem. That's by far the prevailing view for the last year+
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07-13-2013 , 02:33 PM
I go 4/7/15 which was fewest deaths, most assists, earn 11k gold with Cho, and get berated the entire game by the other 4. We lost 44-25. I had 15 assists...
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07-13-2013 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
Owning a team you play on is such a mistake.
Turns out playing for the the season 2 champions was also a Mistake.
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07-13-2013 , 05:08 PM
Everyone on TSM just needs to stop being such a cry bebe.
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07-13-2013 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by imolin
Turns out playing for the the season 2 champions was also a Mistake.
needs more love
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07-13-2013 , 06:46 PM
arguably does not
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07-13-2013 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackitos
How else would he get on a team?
I don't think he's good enough to be on a top competitive(winning) LCS team, at least not this season.
He could probably get a spot on VES.
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07-14-2013 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Thread Cat, imo
arguably does not
sounds like my joke was a

Spoiler:
mistake.
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07-14-2013 , 12:32 AM
i smiled
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07-14-2013 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ZomgHax
He could probably get a spot on VES.
VES isn't a winning team. They are garbage and get **** by on every team in the LCS, they'll get knocked out this season and we won't see them back in it.
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07-14-2013 , 04:19 AM
hey, they can beat Coast on a good day... if they ban zion's champs... not that that's saying much. carry on.

Last edited by litlebullet; 07-14-2013 at 04:24 AM.
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07-14-2013 , 08:27 AM
premade bot is auto lose 99% of the time.
mind blowing adc premade 100 cs at 35min and 2/7/5 with his support 1/8/5,
just whyyyyyy
had almost 300 cs and was one shot by ennemy team.

15/37 the good days.
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07-14-2013 , 08:29 AM
It's hindsight bias, prevailing opinion when Chaox got kicked was that chaox was to blame for missing practice etc. No one assigned blame to regi, or atleast the majority did not, that was clear from reddit threads. It's hindsight bias because it seems very obvious now and we have more information to go on, but before we did not have so much information available. Yes some people called for regi to step down at/near S2 but a toxic attitude was not really the main reason, but rather because his play was weaker.

I'm sorry to put up bad bets, I didn't realize it was in error as I had no time to price it. I think it is in the 2ish:1 area though now that I had some time to think about it, and not a stone lock either way, if anyone is serious about it I will take time to set a line for TSM that you can bet either side for a 3% vig. To let you know its fair to within 3%.

Last edited by Alex Wice; 07-14-2013 at 08:36 AM.
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07-14-2013 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Jackitos
VES isn't a winning team. They are garbage and get **** by on every team in the LCS, they'll get knocked out this season and we won't see them back in it.
Cris is actually good but yeah :/ the rest not so much.

They get very lucky beating marn in the promo match, and marn was bottom tier .

It'll be interesting to see who replaces them.
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