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Old 09-15-2013, 12:20 AM   #25426
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:42 AM   #25427
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Old 09-16-2013, 11:46 AM   #25429
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:33 AM   #25430
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:29 PM   #25432
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:40 PM   #25433
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My main issue with tournaments like worlds, is that it clouds people minds into thinking there is only a selected few champs that are playable.

I mean Ahri has not seen a lot of changes to her to last patches and still now is more popular than ever. I get that everyone wants to be Faker or even Regi. Thinking tho that she is the only viable together with a selcted few others is so far out of reach. I mean Kha-zix is prob one of the strongest solo q champs in the game. He is one to single-handedly carry games. He will rarely be on the ban list. People obvisouly ban the most OP champs that are picked the most. Had Kha been picked by Alex Ich and they'd beat Najin Sword, I can guarantee that Kha would be considered incredibly OP again, and he would be picked/banned in most solo q games.

There are a lot of champs that are incredibly playable but has not been picked up much by the top tier teams lately. If u can build tri on kog and make that a thing, u can certainly play Malz mid and crush with him without him being any weaker than this tri kog. Obv not 100% comparable since they are not same role.

My point being that u as a player can play wukong and have him twice as effective than if u'd pick shen to take an example.

And yes, a lot of the champs they pick are sick OP. I mean fizz is prob on of the strongest champs in the game right now. Wait actually fizz hasn't recieved any buffs lately, so he must have been this strong for quite a while. Yes he was, and still while not being picked by top tier teams, he was just as strong as he is now!
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:04 PM   #25434
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Just because he himself has not been buffed doesn't mean the meta hasn't changed to favor him more.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:57 PM   #25435
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My main issue with tournaments like worlds, is that it clouds people minds into thinking there is only a selected few champs that are playable.

I mean Ahri has not seen a lot of changes to her to last patches and still now is more popular than ever. I get that everyone wants to be Faker or even Regi. Thinking tho that she is the only viable together with a selcted few others is so far out of reach. I mean Kha-zix is prob one of the strongest solo q champs in the game. He is one to single-handedly carry games. He will rarely be on the ban list. People obvisouly ban the most OP champs that are picked the most. Had Kha been picked by Alex Ich and they'd beat Najin Sword, I can guarantee that Kha would be considered incredibly OP again, and he would be picked/banned in most solo q games.

There are a lot of champs that are incredibly playable but has not been picked up much by the top tier teams lately. If u can build tri on kog and make that a thing, u can certainly play Malz mid and crush with him without him being any weaker than this tri kog. Obv not 100% comparable since they are not same role.

My point being that u as a player can play wukong and have him twice as effective than if u'd pick shen to take an example.

And yes, a lot of the champs they pick are sick OP. I mean fizz is prob on of the strongest champs in the game right now. Wait actually fizz hasn't recieved any buffs lately, so he must have been this strong for quite a while. Yes he was, and still while not being picked by top tier teams, he was just as strong as he is now!
So um ya disagree with almost all of this. Almost every champ is playable, but certain champs are most definitely stronger than other ones due to the current state of the meta, items, team comps/strategy, and mobility/power creep. Theres no reason for a team to play an underpowered or weak champ when there is this much money involved. You can't say that a team could "play malz mid and crush with him" because malz is a pretty bad pick right now. His combo depends on him rooting himself in place during his ult, he has no escape or mobility, and no real roaming. Why would a team choose to handicap themselves with a Malz pick?

Ahri and Fizz haven't been buffed, but their #1 counter, Ryze, was repeatedly nerfed. A lot of other top tier mids were also nerfed and are no longer seen. Khazix mid is not seen because he was nerfed, as was Jayce. Both were previously pick or ban and 1st pick material much of the year but are now seen top and never really seen mid. TF was 1st picked all the time in LCS and OGN but got nerfed and is now **** tier.

Besides nerfs to other S-tier mids, Ahri, Fizz, Zed, and Kass are seen so often due to the current meta where teams favor an assassin mid that have an escape to avoid ganks and high mobility to be able to roam and rotate.

Also, khazix is almost certainly not one of the best solo q champs in the game. Maybe a few months ago before his nerfs, but he is currently hovering between 46% and 48% win rate.

What I do agree with is that players see what the pros play and the top picks/bans quickly filter down the ranks, and it doesn't really make sense for people to play ahri/zed/whatever just because they are deemed OP when they have no experience with them and can play their previous champs much more effectively. However idk why you would be against this given you can then crush those players since they have no idea what they are doing.

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Old 09-26-2013, 06:26 PM   #25436
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8 months ago the fizz whos so strong now was not a good champion when warmogs cost 2600 and black cleaver stacking was a thing

nothing happened to him. also malz mid isn't bad but some champions arn't good in competitive. rammus, annie and wukong are top tier solo q champs, no one plays them in comp because they just lack certain things that organized teams can take advantage of. THose champs are certainly better than zed, attrox, orianna in solo q who have ~48% winrates even though they are top tier tourney champs
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:34 PM   #25437
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Hey thanks for eloborated answer NF. Indeed I was not talking about the team comps of pro teams. They pick what they feel are best, but also what they have practised the most. I was merely sayin that everyone else copies pro teams latest flavour of the month, and doesn't think much themselves. I mean obvisouly the changes in patches make some champs tronger and weaker. There is no doubt that Corki may just be the strongest adc in the game, and was just useless a couple of patches ago.

Kha on the other hand is an unpolished gem at this point. I'm not playing him much myself, but he is so hidden OP at the moment, that you will see him spring out of the dust very soon in the pro scene aswell. He was not nerfed that much exactly. The damage from his W iirc was put on his Q instead. And he couldn't perform W anymore while using E. He still has his reset, and if u get the ball rolling with him, you can singlehandedly carry games. The reason he has a lower winpercentage in total is due to change of play style which people have not adapted to (people still evolve W first for goodness sake).

I agree that the norm of the day is to have some heavy mobile champ in midlane. It has been like that for quite a while tho. Gapclosers and mobility>heavy burst and utility in most cases. That is obv why we don't see more Lux, Karthus, Veigar etc. They are incredibly strong and you could most certainly carry your team in solo q, with these champs. You should though be careful about a Zac, Vi, J4 etc jungle.

Funny you mention TF. This guy has actually been picked quite a bit even after his latest nerf, with very little effectivity. Now he is "****" tier all of a sudden. Alex picked him at worlds in one of the group stages which they lost iirc. FNC picked him against VUL aswell right? Actually it was the game they lost against them? It is not sa much as he is so weak as it is that he has a very specific role for the team in the mid-late game. He is even higher skillcapped than before, and exactly top players should be able to handle him.

I agree to item changes and champ nerfs make other champs stronger indirectly. Still you saw while Heca was at his strongest he was one of the most popular champs in chinese scene. He was barely touched in the EU scene, and I don't think I saw him picked in the NA scene. Back to pro scene btw. He was so strong at one point that I believe had pro teams picked him more in our regions, he would become more of a solo Q god. Which he actually became in a much slower pace.

Pros make worse players aware of good champs. Good champs are still good even if pros don't pick em in that perfect comp they need to win with against FNC!

Like everyone wants play Lee. Lee might be the single most rewarding champ if you are good with him, while being the most useless champ if u are not. That does not mean he is OP OP OP. He is however one of the strongest early game champs. With the shorter of games pros actually play. They play so effectively these days they often pick early game champs with high utility and decent damge in the midgame, than scaling late game champs. That is also what we will see in the rest of the worlds matches.

We even saw Faker I believe pick up Syndra. She is immobile as it gets, but she has high damage, and if you can position well, can cc her ganking targets without much risk. Kayle is also such a pick. You will see her much more soon in the proscene. Pros just need to find a way to make her more mobile. Maybe with TP all of a sudden. She is kind of a hit or miss, since she is immobile I would say she is really comp dependent. She is still very strong as she can protect someone from a full burst combo, aswell as kill someone just as fast with a Lich Bane, Raba combo.

The pros metagame shouldn't effect ours in solo Q in the big picture. I don't think metagames are totally universal as some do. "The meta" as if it was a god deciding what we can play and not. I mean totally perfect 5-man comps wouldn't look like they do if the game was 100% solved at this patch. Who knows, maybe ADC in itself will not be a part of huge teams anymore. Just because it takes too long for them to scale into something, and the games are done much much faster, because the comps are much more effective.

The only person I believe has picked Leona is Yellowstar in worlds. That champion may just be the strongest support of all. She is also a solo q goddess. Not everyone copies everything. I am just appaled to see Fizz/Ahri/Kass fp in every game I play no matter what, and I guess that's what set off this rant.

Sorry for inconsistency in some of the bits here, hope you somewhat got my point even though you may not agree to it. I 100% agree to BitchiBee's post.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:45 PM   #25438
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its funny you bring up hecarim because hes an example of solo q strength translating into competitive play
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:08 AM   #25439
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:04 AM   #25440
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So the new champ is basically Miley Cyrus in blue makeup?
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