Can you articulate with examples? I would like to learn why you said this.

He is totally ult reliant and all you do is catch people offguard. If you don't do that you have trouble being useful. Especially in the areas of objective control you are quite bad. If you start Dragons/Barons you are just a sitting duck no matter how far ahead you are.


With proper visioncontrol and disengage you can just **** fiddle.

That's one of the reasons why I think Udyr is a great jungler, you can just start objectives and it doesn't matter if the opponents come, doesn't matter if it's towers/Dragons or Barons. You can't really be caught offguard.

Not to brag here but the reason I'm good on Udyr is not because I make some fancy plays or have insane earlygame presence. In fact, I barely ever gank, I farm, deny and provide vision and then make objectivecalls and constantly put the opponents into difficult spots. That's because I can walk into the opponent jungle or start objectives freely. That wouldn't be possible on a "onetrickpony"- jungler like fiddle.



Like when people see that KDA they would never ever give me that winrate.

I have shyvana's winrate vs lee sin (in jungle) as 63.7% in 257 plat+ na games. it's kind of a low sample size, but still pretty sick!

time for jungle critplank with runeglaive, convert those crits to magic damage

New champion.gg shows fiddles at 50.37%.

Shyvana at 54% and trundle at 54 as well.

I was honestly just thinking of trying jangles GP. I know I've bugged you a ton about GP but I'd like to hear how you'd build him in the jg and when AP.

Never played AP before and hes pretty bad in the jungle last time I tried (3+ months ago) because his clear is awful, he has mana problems, he can't get enough gold income to go shiv/tri/IE, and his ganks still suck. He is actually not terrible if you build him utility with something like cinderhulk/RG/Locket but then why even play GP?

I actually think runeglaive might be the way to go now since it should hugely speed up his clear and help his mana issues. If set up right his Q might be able to proc an entire camp like birds and get 4x extra gold, but even without that it helps his clear speed by giving him aoe and fixing his mana problems.

Basically, I'd build him like normal except with no triforce. No need to get AP items on him, his Q with runeglaive will just convert that damage into magic damage which is actually probably better since most people have more armor than MR. Only real problem would be getting enough gold to get a BF if you want IE. Maybe just runeglaive->shiv->into tanky or something.

I think NF's first paragraph nails it.

The counterpoint is GP is OP and can be a spooky ghost

I'd also cite my previous 5s game with Karak and co. Gave up first blood top to Rengar and still rekt him

Will try the GP jangle and report back.

Confirmed OP

I gotta learn Skarner prob one of the best junglers for Soloq, wouldn't be suprised if he is like Top 3.

I think Skarner was the first champ I ever played a game of league with and never played him again after that.

I've played several games with and against skarner recently, in every of those the skarner was crushing. He has super high base damage and is really tanky. Especially against melee heavy teamcomps he should be extremely strong.
I usually like junglers with shields as they offer good objective control and he should play really similar to Udyr.

Being ult reliant is really a disadvantage in solo queue, where consistency is key. But it's not really a disadvantage on its own. It's a pretty good ult.
Except you will NEVER have proper vision control. Especially with wraith's smite passive and against lens trinket (which is what fids should carry.)

I am the Jungler, it's my job to get vision and inform my team of the opponents junglers moves. I will do that, others maybe not but I will. Against Fiddles/Amumus or whatever I will live in their jungle and smite wolves as many times as possible.

Fiddle has the benefit that a lot of people have to play support and then just suck at visioncontrol. I don't think I've lost many games against Fiddles but to be fair my two main junglers absolutely **** on him. One can invade him super easily(udyr) and the other just spots and kills him with his ulti when he sits at some random wall waiting to ulti(Rengar).

I really dislike playing champions that can be taken out of the game if the opponents play good, like if they got a strong jungler/support they will just absolutely **** on you. It just offers little outplaypotential and makes the champion uninteresting for me. Yeah it's Soloq you can make it work because people are bad, but I just don't like to feel I'm being shat on where I can do nothing about it. I'm trying to think of any other champions that offer as little outplaypotential as Fiddle does and none come to mind.

I love this friends weekend, so much IP has been gained.

haha same here

pretty crazy Zeke's Herald changes on PBE:

Not sure I totally get that but using the conduit active is you choosing who you generate the passive charges with, correct?

Seems like a GOAT item for support GP.

Looks like duo jungle/support will get buffed really hard with that

Full control on vision/tanking/shotcalling and with that item even more damages

Just seems like a buff to Jinx, 50% crit is a huge ~2500 gold buff.

Even when you have 300 AP going in, the 20% AP is only worth ~1300 gold. Janna/Jinx are going to be an even bigger nightmare to deal with with all the synergy here.

I think they should make Jinx not crit AOE once they add this item, but instead she's going to be 55% winrate again for a bit. Regardless it's going to put the non-meta adcs like Corki/Kog/Ezreal/Graves even further behind.

Yes make ADC stronger, they certainly need a buff.