Diablo 3 LC/General Error 37 Discussion Thread

[Bode-ist]

are you guys ****ing with me or are you serious? i've been messing around with the AH for awhile and haven't done any more runs since.

[Bremen]

I assumed watevs was messing with you

[WildBobAA]

Originally Posted by Bode-ist

is magic find broken all of the sudden? i did ~10 act 1 runs this afternoon and got my usual 1-2 rares + the guaranteed for each elite/champ pack. Now tonight i've done 3 full runs and have only gotten the guaranteed rares after having 5 NV stacks. Anyone else getting this? i only have 100 base MF, but i've never had this happen on a full run, let alone 3 in a row.

You're only guaranteed a rare from an elite/champ pack when you have 5 stacks. If you kill one with 1-4 stacks, you might only get blues.

[ChrisCrocker]

you're misunderstanding, he thinks MF is currently glitched. Only getting 1 rare when having 5 stacks.

[WildBobAA]

ah ok, gotcha

[Bode-ist]

yeah, the only rares i got over 3 runs last night were the guaranteed rares after getting 5 stacks. i guess its variance, but it was weird that it happened over 3 full runs after being normal most of the day.

[garcia1001]

I have experienced a lot of '1 rare when having 5 NV stacks' a lot this past run. Small sample size lol and all. I killed like 25 packs in vault of the assassin (3 runs), and when I had 5 stacks I only twice got more than 1 rare.

[solsek]

Looking over some data in that MF study that was posted here a few days ago, I think they are more focused on finding the absolute details of MF rather than finding the most efficient way of farming. When I posted my data, someone responded with this:

MF NV 4A (% of total) 5A (% of total) 6A (% of total)
200 0 16.88 7.26 3.09
200 5 31.98 7.66 3.50

They always focus on the "% total" of drops which is the most accurate way to do it, but it does not give the best picture on how to farm. Champ packs don't drop 1 non-guaranteed item per kill, so directly comparing the total percentage (of affixes) between guaranteed rare and non-guaranteed rare is really bad from an efficiency stand point. Champs drop 4 (correct me if I'm wrong) or so items per kill that allow you to roll for that illusive 6 affix rare. So in a vacuum, it may appear that MF does little to improve your chances per item, but it makes a world of difference when you consider those chances are applied to 4-5 individual drops per champion pack (as well as random mobs/gobos).

EDIT: Excuse the formatting, I just copied and pasted that table. Basically it shows a small difference in the % total of 5 and 6 affix rares between non-guaranteed and guaranteed rares. But when we are talking about trying to maximize efficiency in farming, that small improvement in "% total" drops is what we are looking for. Factor in what I said above about "% total" being a little bit deceptive and MF still is going to be a very important stat for farming. They have yet to come to the conclusion that MF does not affect the guaranteed rare, (they seem to not care about my data since it does not include the items as a percentage of total items dropped), which will change their "conclusion" section on several aspects of MF and farming.

TLDR:

3.5% of 400 items (non-guaranteed) > 3.09% of 40 items (guaranteed).....per run obv

This is why I suggested clearing high density areas over an entire act if you have 180+ base MF. The guaranteed rare makes up a very small percentage of total items dropped, so you basically want to roll for 6 affixes as many times as possible per unit of time. Clearing an act won't allow you to do that.

[solsek]

One thing to note is that data table that I quoted is a little deceptive too. It doesn't actually separate out guaranteed rare and non-guaranteed rare items. It lumps them into one category and tries to look at the guaranteed rare in a backwards fashion.

So what they did was get 125 MF + 75 MF from NV and directly compare that to 200 MF. If the guaranteed rare is affected by MF, they should have the same distribution of 6/5 affix rares. What I suspect is going on with this is that since they look at the total percentage of items dropped instead of just the rares, it is not clearly showing the difference between the two categories since the base percentage of getting a 5/6 affix rare is so small to begin with that the affect MF has on the guaranteed rare is going to be impossible to see without a million data points. The fact that there IS a difference between the two categories should mean that the guaranteed rare is basically worthless and that table should be relabeled 163 MF vs 200 MF.

[da_fume]

That's true but you did catch that the guaranteed rare doesn't replace another drop, right? Based on the data they collected in that thread it is added on top of the other drops.

[solsek]

Yes that has been known since they released the patch notes (Blizzard said it was in addition to what it would normally drop). But that still makes it worth less than half a non-guaranteed rare. It's not worth keeping 5 NV stacks because of the additional time it takes to get to different zones and harder champion packs in the later parts of act 3. If it were equal to a non-guaranteed rare, then it would be closer. Or if the champ packs dropped 2 guaranteed rares. That's why I finish my runs by killing siegebreaker/ghom.

The whole guaranteed rare thing seemed like it was going to be great and in fact the best way to farm when Blizzard announced they would be doing it. The only way they can "fix" or improve loot drops is to jay wilson everything....double it. MF affects guaranteed rare drops or champs drop 2 guaranteed rares and bosses drop 4 (not affected by MF). It will be a lot like D2 in terms of quantity of item drops, but since it is still hard to get good rolls on 6 affix rares, it won't be like everyone is rolling in the best gear in the first week.

[kinda]

Profiles are up now.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6821782

[IWEARGOGGLES]

So can you folks see this?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/I.../hero/23187141

[#Thinman]

manhours well spent, glad there are not other pressing issues

[mashxx]

that totally makes me want to play diablo 3 even more, indeed