Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > Other Topics > The Studio

Notices

The Studio Discuss your craft.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-25-2012, 11:41 PM   #46
journeyman
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 285
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

Yeah, that stuff works (albeit slowly), but you should memorize your intervals. I don't mean that bull**** of singing the first two notes of frosty the snowman; I mean really memorize your intervals.

The key to it is this: if you can recreate a specific sound (e.g., major 3rd) with no instrument cold (e.g, just got out of bed and sing a specific interval), you know how it sounds.

Start with perfect 5ths. Tune your geetar up, and go to the lowest note you can sing. Play it and sing it, and then play a 5th higher and sing that. Sing the words Perfect (low note) Fifth (high note), G (low note) D (high note). Like this:

Perfect(low note) fifth(high note)
perfect(low note) fifth(high note)
G(low note) D(high note)
G(low note) D(high note)

Then sing it backwards:

Perfect(high note) fifth(low note)
perfect(high note) fifth(low note)
D(high note) G(low note)
D(high note) G(low note)

Now move up chromatically up the neck (G# D#, A E, A# E#). Go all the way up an octave singing non-natural notes as sharps; then sing the entire exercise backwards, using flats for the note names.

This does a few things:
1) you memorize what notes comprise a perfect 5th interval, both as sharps and flats
2) singing the interval name solidifies the sound with the name of the interval (perfect 5th)
3) memorize what shapes sound like on the guitar

Spend 20 minutes a day on this. After a week, you should just be able to spring out of bed and sing a 5th. You should also be able to have someone play a pitch and immediately sing a 5th higher or lower from that pitch. If you can't, keep doing it until you can (i.e., everyone picks things up at a different pace).

Then do 4ths. Then 3rds. Start with that.
gitfiddle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2012, 12:17 AM   #47
mother****ing photoshopper
 
jmitchell42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: THE MUSTACHE RIDES AGAIN.
Posts: 15,389
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

i agree that learning your intervals is key to great ear training, but don't agree that the use of songs to start is wrong. it gives you a familiar point of reference to begin that you would struggle to gain trying to learn the sound of the interval. i.e. the perfect 5th you are talking about is the first two notes of the top gun theme or twinkle twinkle little star. you do learn the sound of the interval, but it gives you a starting place your ear probably already knows.
jmitchell42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2012, 01:11 AM   #48
journeyman
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 285
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmitchell42 View Post
but don't agree that the use of songs to start is wrong. it gives you a familiar point of reference to begin that you would struggle to gain trying to learn the sound of the interval.
My point is you don't need a point of reference if you practice your intervals properly. Sure, if you want to cram for an interval test at school songs are great, but short of someone having ears of stone, singing a fifth for 20 minutes a day (ascending and descending) would give total mastery of the interval.

The problem is many schools don't teach a system of how to practice intervals. They give you the wedding march and say it's a perfect 4th. Then kids donk around with a fourth a bit on the piano and think they have it memorized. Then they hear an interval and try to sing the pitches and identify a song - a crutch.

Anyone capable of singing top gun can sit down and sing a fifth 20 minutes a day in every key. After a while the ears will unlock. It's a longer process, but it's a complete one. If someone wants to use twinkle twinkle little star, so be it, but if they sing that song using the practice outline I gave, they will find themselves not relating to the song after a short while and probably deem it an unnecessary step after a few intervals are mastered. I'm not saying it doesn't work, though.
gitfiddle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2012, 01:22 AM   #49
mother****ing photoshopper
 
jmitchell42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: THE MUSTACHE RIDES AGAIN.
Posts: 15,389
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

Quote:
Originally Posted by gitfiddle View Post
My point is you don't need a point of reference if you practice your intervals properly. Sure, if you want to cram for an interval test at school songs are great, but short of someone having ears of stone, singing a fifth for 20 minutes a day (ascending and descending) would give total mastery of the interval.

The problem is many schools don't teach a system of how to practice intervals. They give you the wedding march and say it's a perfect 4th. Then kids donk around with a fourth a bit on the piano and think they have it memorized. Then they hear an interval and try to sing the pitches and identify a song - a crutch.

Anyone capable of singing top gun can sit down and sing a fifth 20 minutes a day in every key. After a while the ears will unlock. It's a longer process, but it's a complete one. If someone wants to use twinkle twinkle little star, so be it, but if they sing that song using the practice outline I gave, they will find themselves not relating to the song after a short while and probably deem it an unnecessary step after a few intervals are mastered. I'm not saying it doesn't work, though.
it is a starting point for sure. can't be relied on for long and one must actually hear the interval. think we are kind of arguing the same point though. a means to the same end if you will.
jmitchell42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2012, 12:20 AM   #50
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
General Tsao's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: trembling in fear of tomdemaine
Posts: 29,856
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

Quote:
Originally Posted by bob_124 View Post
Took me a while to get back on here b/c of email verification issues, but I'm back and plan to continue responding to all this great info. Still a bit overwhelming at the moment, but I'm going to carve out some daily time to work on the material. I'll try to upload another solo by the end of the week. Hope you guys are doing well!
General Tsao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2012, 12:38 AM   #51
mother****ing photoshopper
 
jmitchell42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: THE MUSTACHE RIDES AGAIN.
Posts: 15,389
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

hurry. i HAVE to know what note a dial tone is. stat!!
jmitchell42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2012, 02:10 AM   #52
band
 
LirvA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 40,192
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

This is Brett Papa. He taught me to play when I was a kid. He's got a lot of good videos that would help with lead guitar imo.




LirvA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2012, 02:12 AM   #53
band
 
LirvA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 40,192
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmitchell42 View Post
hurry. i HAVE to know what note a dial tone is. stat!!


LirvA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2012, 08:23 PM   #54
journeyman
 
bob_124's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 238
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

What about good warmups or exercises to improve my technical skills? I'm deficient in both theory and technique, and I think the best way for me to improve is to start hammering out the fundamentals.

I have been playing, but one of my problems is that the material is overwhelming. I need to carve out a schedule for myself, maybe something like this:

15 min warmup/finger exercises
15 min scales, note identification, ear exercises
30 min solo practice (I have a loop device that I can play over which is nice)

I also want to spend time on songwriting, learning covers, and messing around with chord progressions
bob_124 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 01:22 AM   #55
sleepless songwriter
 
whiskeytown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: waitin' round to die
Posts: 8,261
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

has anyone tried messing with Rocksmith? - Thinking of giving it a try when it comes out on PC and I got $70

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocksmith

sorta like guitar hero with real instruments -

RB
whiskeytown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 02:35 PM   #56
mother****ing photoshopper
 
jmitchell42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: THE MUSTACHE RIDES AGAIN.
Posts: 15,389
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskeytown View Post
has anyone tried messing with Rocksmith? - Thinking of giving it a try when it comes out on PC and I got $70

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocksmith

sorta like guitar hero with real instruments -

RB
i play this. not as much as i did when it first came out, but i love it. it doesn't do a whole lot for teaching technique (at least not for me), but is great for helping with some finger independence and coordination. plus it is just fun.
jmitchell42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2012, 05:05 AM   #57
band
 
LirvA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 40,192
Re: Resources for improving at lead guitar

Quote:
Originally Posted by bob_124 View Post
What about good warmups or exercises to improve my technical skills?

four note pattern, six strings. Four fingers. Index, middle, ring, pinky. Alternate picking. down up down up down up down up.


hiE ---------------------------------------1-2-3-4-5-4-3-2
B---------------------------------1-2-3-4-----------------5-4-3-2
G-------------------------1-2-3-4--------------------------------5-4-3-2
D-------------------1-2-3-4------------------------------------
A---------1-2-3-4
loE-1-2-3-4


hiE----
B--------------------------------------
G-------------------------------------------.-.-.-.-.-.-.
D------------------------------------3-4-5-6
A-----5-4-3-2----------------3-4-5-6
loE-----------5-4-3-2-3-4-5-6



you start at the bottom and play four notes on each string, down up down up down up down up picking, index finger, middle finger, ring finger, pinky finger, then when you get up to the high E, slide your pinky (and whole hand) up a fret and descend pinky, ring, middle, index, then get down to the low E and slide up, you get the jest ...



ease into this and the more you do it, you'll be able to go up and up and up the neck and then back down. This will give you good technical skills for lead guitar

Last edited by LirvA; 06-21-2012 at 05:05 AM. Reason: there are several variations on this exercise
LirvA is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive