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Old 02-12-2012, 01:39 AM   #101
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now, there is a plate on the back that i was going to clean under/around that had 4 screws in it that i unscrewed. when i did, the neck came off. got it lined back up and screwed back it. was really careful in putting it back on, so i didn't think much of it, but i am hoping that isn't the problem.

That shouldn't be the problem imo.

First of all, the neck is meant to be able to be taken off. When appraisers on like antique's road show for instance are checking out an old Fender Stratocaster from the 50s or 60s, they always take the neck off cause Fender stamped the dates there on the neck. I believe you might even have had to take it off to adjust the truss rod back then. Might be wrong on that though imo.

The bridge definitely looks like it is depressed like you're dive bombing with the whammy bar. What the deal is, the strings are pulling so much tension, and the tremolo springs aren't providing enough counter tension to keep it where it's supposed to be. They usually come with 3 springs btw, so no worries there. You may check to see if that plate that the springs hook on to can be screwed in, which would increase the spring tension, but idk mang, you might just wanna take it to the shop imo.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:41 AM   #102
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did you take any of the springs off or did you back that plate down any?
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:43 AM   #103
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That sucks man. Atleast you tried to do it yourself. Maybe having someone else fix it for you is the best thing right now. I am sure you want a guitar that is playable and has good action on it.
for sure. we all have to start somewhere, so i am glad i am learning. i am just glad i didn't **** up an expensive guitar.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:45 AM   #104
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did you take any of the springs off or did you back that plate down any?
i didn't mess with the springs, but tried to screw in the claw screws some, but didn't seem to make much of a difference. i think i will get a pro setup then make minor adjustments as i go so i am not messing with too much stuff at one time so i don't know where to start to fix it. thanks mang.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:56 AM   #105
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Dude, wtf at unscrewing the neck? I can't make out what's in that pic, but you either loosened the claw or are tuning the strings too high. Take a few clean pics (one of the claw, too) and let's see what you did.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:08 AM   #106
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Dude, wtf at unscrewing the neck? I can't make out what's in that pic, but you either loosened the claw or are tuning the strings too high. Take a few clean pics (one of the claw, too) and let's see what you did.
didn't mean to take the neck off, but got it back on clean. no forcing anything. that pic is in playing position right down the body at the bridge. just seems high, but can't figure out why. will try to get one of the claw too.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:12 AM   #107
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bridge and strings from the underside where the knobs are.


straight down the body again in playing position. camera right on line with the face of the guitar looking at the bridge

the claw and spring set up (didn't mess with this set up save for screwing the claw screws in some).


let me know what other pics i could take. love that this could help me understand what i did. i messed with the saddle heights too to try to get it to play but keep in line with the radius.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:20 AM   #108
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was it uneven like that when you bought it?
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:22 AM   #109
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was it uneven like that when you bought it?
yeah. i made sure to turn each one the same when i screwed it in.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:29 AM   #110
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Closeups are hard to discern. A full body shot of the side of the guitar from the bass side (bridge to nut) would help, but it looks like the strings are super tight; claw is okay (but it's okay to even up the bass side). Don't **** with the claw when the bridge is off the body, though.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:36 AM   #111
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these are about as good as my camera can do, but here are a few:


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Old 02-12-2012, 02:44 AM   #112
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Okay, cool. No problem. We got you into this mess; we'll get you out. But first I have to tell you, I don't play guitar - I play Bassoon.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:50 AM   #113
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1) Loosen the strings like lugs on a tire. Half turn - Low E then High E, A string then B string, D string then G string. Rinse and repeat until the bridge is flush with the body. Once flush, turn each string another 1/2 turn (doesn't matter order).

2) Turn the right side of the claw in a 1/2 turn and the other side of the claw out a full turn (depending on how much you turned the claw originally). Even up the claw.

3) Put your whammy bar in and depress the bar. How much resistance is there before the bridge lifts off the body?

Start there, and get back to us.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:51 AM   #114
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Okay, cool. No problem. We got you into this mess; we'll get you out. But first I have to tell you, I don't play guitar - I play Bassoon.
basoon was one of the hardest instruments i ever had to play. true story. if you can play that you can get me out of this.
naw, i am going to get it professionally done and tweak it from there. i might try to see if i can watch the process though.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:53 AM   #115
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1) Loosen the strings like lugs on a tire. Half turn - Low E then High E, A string then B string, D string then G string. Rinse and repeat until the bridge is flush with the body. Once flush, turn each string another full turn (doesn't matter order).

2) Turn the right side of the claw in a 1/2 turn and the other side of the claw out a full turn. Even up the claw (depending on how much you turned the claw originally).

3) Put your whammy bar in and depress the bar. How much resistance is there before the bridge lifts off the body?

Start there, and get back to us.
will do tomorrow. the repair shop is closed, so if i can mess with it i will. not sure i have another e string though to put on.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:05 AM   #116
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will do tomorrow. the repair shop is closed, so if i can mess with it i will. not sure i have another e string though to put on.
Still though, you're not in deep water. The strings are too tight (or they mispackaged a set of 10's in there ). It's just a matter of loosening the strings, evening up the claw a bit and then tuning it up slowly into pitch.

You went too far and are trying to go an octave higher. It can be confusing the first time you go from slack to pitch. Always make sure you're muting the other five strings when you're tuning up a string. The overtones confuse the tuner. Even without the high E, you can get everything set up to start your setup.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:10 AM   #117
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Still though, you're not in deep water. The strings are too tight (or they mispackaged a set of 10's in there ). It's just a matter of loosening the strings, evening up the claw a bit and then tuning it up slowly into pitch.

You went too far and are trying to go an octave higher. It can be confusing the first time you go from slack to pitch. Always make sure you're muting the other five strings when you're tuning up a string. The overtones confuse the tuner. Even without the high E, you can get everything set up to start your setup.
i have strung up my acoustic and you are right it can be confusing. it is just with this electric all it was doing was buzzing at pitch so i couldn't even tune it to pitch. it would just buzz or sound overtones/harmonics. not sure where the problem is tbh.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:27 AM   #118
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Re: Beginners guitar corner.

did mitch evans just admit to playing the buffoon?
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:28 AM   #119
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There's a few different reasons that can cause that. If the low E is buzzing like that, move to the A and keep tuning each string as best as you can, and keep an eye on the bridge to see if it's lifting off the body. It could have been set up to where the bridge is slightly floating (off the body) and that would bring the strings higher off the neck once in tune. Start with those steps I mentioned first, though, if you're still interested in giving it one more shot. How much (little) resistance there is (once the bridge is flush with the body) before screwing the claw will tell you more.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:32 AM   #120
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did mitch evans just admit to playing the buffoon?
At times.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:35 AM   #121
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I Rock the Buffoon like nobody's business. So I am in good company.

It's awesome you are giving JMitch such good advice fwiw.

I killed a couple of guitars in my early days due to the cluelessness of me.
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i don't think i destroyed it, but def messed with too much stuff all at once. will give it another go eventually.
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Old 02-12-2012, 04:42 AM   #123
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I Rock the Buffoon like nobody's business. So I am in good company.
Prerequisite for being a musician, imo

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It's awesome you are giving JMitch such good advice fwiw.
Thanks.

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I killed a couple of guitars in my early days due to the cluelessness of me.
Tried to take the buzz out of a classical guitar with brass frets with a metal nail file... just kept digging myself deeper. First scallop was so ****ing deep it looked like a cheese grater.

But nothing as bad as taking my friend's brand new Destroyer and putting it into the ceiling because he didn't think I could flip it around my back like I could with my Strat.
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:04 AM   #124
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hey is this low buzzy instrument a bassoon?






I ****ing love low buzzy **** like that imo
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:07 AM   #125
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I almost think he tweaked the truss rod wrong. iirc you adjusted it jmitch? If it didn't fret out real bad and then you went and adjusted the truss rod and then it did, I'd say you shouldn't have done that imo.
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