very beginning of trying to learn. had nothing to do with discomfort. more of knowledge. the instruments i play were very linear, and the guitar isn't at all. it is hard to get yourself through that kind of frustration imo. at least for me.

i love this. well put.

Nevermind, I see your point. I thought kinda the same thing when I first started messing around with guitars. It drove me nuts how the guitar was actually set up. Didnt make sense to me at first. Still to this day, if I am trying to understand something I usually look at a piano since all the notes are in order. Its much easier to physically see the distances for me for some reason.

Its not the classical that sucks, its Smoke on the Water that sucks lol

**** I hate that song!

it is definitely hard to go from a linear instrument to a non. i can't picture overlapping pianos to get what the guitar can do. it is amazing but difficult as hell.

have a good night mang. i am bed.

Good night

Haha.. I'm totally opposite. I look at a piano and I don't have a freaking clue. I can look at a fret board and know where every note is. Once you learn scales and practice every day its gets a lot easier. I wish I could play piano but I suck at it.

@gambit

fair enough on the smoke on the water jibe, but i think 99% of guitarists at least try that riff out when they are learning

@tiltmonkey

I am the same - I would love to have a clue about piano/keyboards

My duo partner is a multi-instrumentalist and it makes me a little jealous. He bust out the flute for a Jethro Tull song we are covering. I was like WTF!

My #1 piece of advice for raw guitar beginners: get a decent tuner. Nothing will demoralize you faster than trying to learn on an out of tune guitar because even when you're playing the proper notes you will still sound bad. I like my Snark clip-on tuner, you should be able to buy one for $20.

As a beginner I found electrics easier to play than acoustics because the strings on an electric tend to be lighter and easier to manipulate.

Knowing what I know now, if I were buying my first set of gear, I'd go to as many pawnshops as possible, and take someone who REALLY knows guitars with me if possible. If you don't have someone to help I'll do my best to detail what you're looking for in a solid first guitar.

Here's the bad stuff to look for, if you see it, you probably don't want it.

Look for any cracks in the wood. This tends to happen where the neck is joined to the body or around the bridge/tremolo area. Are there any cracks in the nut? Cracks are usually bad. Chipped paint and scratched pickguards are no big deal imo but may be indicative of an abused guitar(dropped and such).

If it has a tremolo, is it raised up off the body? If so these can be hard to keep in tune. This however can be usually be a cheap, easy fix by adding some springs to keep it flush against the body. Skip the fancy Floyd Rose/Kahler floating style tremolos as a beginner.

Jiggle the hardware a little bit, are all of the strap buttons, tuners, knobs and switches present and solid? If they're missing or wiggle around it probably needs some fixing, as a beginner you probably don't want to mess with this stuff.

Now the neck, maybe the most important part. As a beginner buying a cheap guitar, you probably don't want to pay to have it professionally set up, costing a decent percentage of what you bought it for in the first place, though it's really not a bad idea. So here's what to look for in a good neck.

Put the base of the body by your nose and look down the fretboard, specifically the edges of the frets, do they make a straight line? If so, that's good! Do you see a huge bow one way or another? That's real bad, put it down and move on! It is normal to see a slight forward bow though.

Test the action(string height) by putting a finger behind the first fret of the thickest string and a finger behind the last fret way down by the pickups. Look at the string height above the 12th fret. You want the string as close as possible to the 12th fret without touching it for ease of play. Perform the same check on the thinnest string. If one string is touching the fretboard in this check and one is not, the neck may be twisted.

Play each string at every fret. Hear any buzzing? If so, you probably want to move on. It means the string height is too low and the string is rubbing up against one of the frets in front of the one you're using.

If you like what you've seen/heard so far, plug it into an amp(make sure the amp volume is down when you first plug it in).

Does the jack hold the guitar cord plug firm? If not it's usually an easy fix but you may not want to mess with it.

With the amp volume turned up some, twist each knob on the guitar? Is there a skritchy sound when you turn them? If yes then the pots are dirty, the guitar has not been well maintained. You could probably fix it but probably don't want to mess with it. Move on! Can you tell a difference in volume or tone when you adjust each knob? If not, that knob is probably nonfunctional. This may not be a big deal to a beginner though if the sound you're getting is acceptable to you. But if you don't like it, move on!

Now test the functionality of the pickups. Sound each string and repeat with the pickup selector switch in every position. Sound good? Good! As long as one of the pickups works it's probably good enough for a beginner to learn on but if you don't like it move on. My middle pickup doesn't work but it doesn't bother me much.

That's the basics of what you're looking for in a second hand guitar. $100-$150(maybe even less) should get you something decent to learn on and figure out if you like playing.

As far as buying at a pawnshop, never pay the tagged price. Haggle away. You can probably get up to 20-30% off the price. Also, pawnshop salesmen will usually give you better deals if you buy more stuff all at once. Say you see a guitar priced at $129, the very most you should pay is $120 out the door(that means tax included). You may even be able to get it for $100. In my neck of the woods, pawnshops usually only pay $20 or so bucks for those cheap guitars they price at $99-$149.

Anyway, I hope that helps someone, don't forget to get that tuner.

Ok, my turn:

Gonso's List of Stuff to Look For in a Beginner's Electric Guitar:

1) Get a guitar with a pair of humbucking pickups, or that at least has one in the bridge. One of the properties of humbuckers is that they cancel out what's called 60-cycle-hum, which is often a problem with single coil pickups especially if you have a lot of interference. Your standard humbucker looks like a double-pickup, which is all it is. Compare here with this photo.

Single coils tend to have a different sound than humbuckers and fit different styles of players, but on your first guitar I wouldn't worry so much about that. There's time to learn about all that. From my experience you'd be happier starting out with noiseless pickups and not dealing with a bunch of hum driving you nuts.

2) Don't get a guitar that comes with a whammy bar. On cheaper guitars you'll have all kinds of tuning problems, and the thing can be a distraction besides. If you know how to jerk off you've already half mastered the whammy bar, so work on your chords and picking and the rest of your fundamentals.

3) Use standard strings for a while, not too heavy. For beginners I suggest a common .009-.042 is gauge leaning to the light side, it's a little easier on your fingers. Buy a 3-pack of these or these.

4) Invest $50 in a basic professional setup. That's enough to get someone to set up your instrument properly. Typically they will adjust the neck relief a bit, perhaps slot the nut a little better, and adjust intonation so that your guitar is in tune everywhere on the fretboard. None of these things are recommended by me if you're just starting out and don't have tools. It's not a dummy proof process. And give them the type of strings you have to set them up with!

5) If you're on a budget, don't sweat the wood type of the guitar so much. Agathis is common and works fine, though some are put off because it happens to be cheap & plentiful where the overseas factories are. It's fine. So is basswood, and poplar, and alder especially. If you want a little heavier sound, mahogany will help a bit.

6) Used guitars are fine, and it's a great market to buy them in. But there are a lot of products out there ranging from great values to crappy pieces of junk. Get help, or ask on a forum with people who know what they're looking at.

7) For a new guitar, I'd budget at least $250. Used is all over the place and you can often find a perfectly good used instrument for half that or less. A Squire Tele Custom fits the bill and that's $250. Maybe the ESP LTD Viper-100FM, or ESP LTD H-101 at the same price.

8) Read #4 again.

9) A little solid state amp is fine. Usually it will have treble, bass, volume and maybe distortion. It will sound like ass compared to anything good, but when you're starting out your playing sound like ass too. Ass through a $1,200 Fender Twin will still sound like ass. You could also take advantage of technology and get a little iRig or something similar. That's not the best idea necessarily, as like the whammy bar you'll probably spend an inordinate amount of practice time playing with effects and making noises. I recommend practicing in the clean channel most of the time when you're new to it. Effects hide mistakes and develop bad habits.

NO NO NO. This is very useful. Yeah, there are many states that have pawnshops, so that will probably be where I will go. I will try to do the tests heya wrote.

Thanks everyone for being so helpful, you are all really great.

What do you guys think about online training sites, like www.guitartricks.com? I'm interested in learning the guitar, and these places are relatively cheap compared to a live guitar teacher. What, if any, are the drawbacks to be aware of before I hand over my credit card and sign up?

I'm not a guitarist, however:

Instant feedback is crucial in learning how to do anything, especially an instrument. Regardless of how big a guitar lesson website is, they're not gonna tell you what you're doing wrong the majority of the time.

When you're learning you really need to get it right quickly otherwise you're gonna be stuck doing it wrong and be unable to change it later because you're muscles won't approve, which may limit your playing abilities depending on what fault you have.

I am all about getting a teacher if you're brand spanking new as a musician, though I know many people who have taught themselves, those people tend to be coming from another instrument and so already know the basics.

Pay for 5 in-person lessons. You're good from there. Once you can tune a guitar and understand the basic mechanics of guitar playing and read tab or something, you can find the rest from there. x100 now that the internet exists.

We used to buy $3.50 monthly guitar magazines for tips and some songs, it worked. Now with YouTube, forums and tabs everywhere, there's just every resource you could want.

You dont need a tuner....just buy guitar toolkit for iphone. I also really like the "guitar lick of the day" app for ipad.